Welcome to SomaliNet Forums, a friendly and gigantic Somali centric active community. Login to hide this block

You are currently viewing this page as a guest. By joining our community you will have the ability to post topics, ask questions, educate others, use the advanced search, subscribe to threads and access many, many other features. Registration is quick, simple and absolutely free. Join SomaliNet forums today! Please note that registered members with over 50 posts see no ads whatsoever! Are you new to SomaliNet? These forums with millions of posts are just one section of a much larger site. Just visit the front page and use the top links to explore deep into SomaliNet oasis, Somali singles, Somali business directory, Somali job bank and much more. Click here to login. If you need to reset your password, click here. If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us.

Christopher Hitchens is dead

Daily chitchat.

Moderators: Moderators, Junior Moderators

Forum rules
This General Forum is for general discussions from daily chitchat to more serious discussions among Somalinet Forums members. Please do not use it as your Personal Message center (PM). If you want to contact a particular person or a group of people, please use the PM feature. If you want to contact the moderators, pls PM them. If you insist leaving a public message for the mods or other members, it will be deleted.
OUR SPONSOR: LOGIN TO HIDE
User avatar
Basra-
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 49034
Joined: Mon Feb 16, 2004 7:00 pm
Location: Somewhere far, far, far away from you forumers.

Re: Christopher Hitchens is dead

Postby Basra- » Fri Dec 16, 2011 11:34 am

Rab

Because Fah--the thread poster is a secret atheist. :cry:

User avatar
Bro
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 10596
Joined: Fri Nov 30, 2001 7:00 pm
Location: Midwest

Re: Christopher Hitchens is dead

Postby Bro » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:20 pm

I highly doubt that but okay.

User avatar
DR-YALAXOOW
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 13777
Joined: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:26 am

Re: Christopher Hitchens is dead

Postby DR-YALAXOOW » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:35 pm

allah XAGIISA AYEY KA QORNEEYD inuu EATHIEST ahaado before he ever born Christopher Hitchens. :up: wax waliba allah xagiisa ayey ka qoran yihiin. JANNA AND NAAR waxaa galeysid before you born ayey qoran yihiin.

Hes not first ethiest and he will not be last ethiest who died. Ethiest believe that when you die you become like before you Born! they say that you become before your parent had sex one night and resulted new life,YOU? thats what ethiest believe that when you died you loos your conscious and you will never regian it because your death.

User avatar
Nanees
Posts: 0
Joined: Tue Sep 27, 2011 8:23 pm
Location: Chilling on Cardassian Beaches in a Burqini

Re: Christopher Hitchens is dead

Postby Nanees » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:39 pm

EATHIEST
Is that like an east-side athiest? :lol:

User avatar
DR-YALAXOOW
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 13777
Joined: Wed Dec 15, 2004 1:26 am

Re: Christopher Hitchens is dead

Postby DR-YALAXOOW » Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:42 pm

EATHIEST
Is that like an east-side athiest? :lol:
thats right man double size (e) athiest :up:

grandpakhalif
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 30305
Joined: Tue Sep 01, 2009 10:32 am
Location: Darul Kufr
Contact:

Re: Christopher Hitchens is dead

Postby grandpakhalif » Fri Dec 16, 2011 1:00 pm

Jokes on him now :lol:

User avatar
Shirib
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 26911
Joined: Thu Oct 04, 2007 3:50 am
Location: May God grant us victory.

Re: Christopher Hitchens is dead

Postby Shirib » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:48 pm

Burn baby burn

Cumar-Labasuul
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 11028
Joined: Thu Jan 22, 2009 6:21 pm

Re: Christopher Hitchens is dead

Postby Cumar-Labasuul » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:51 pm

Everything is preordained by Allah but we have the free will to either be Believers or Disbelievers. Some people think that because their final resting place was pre-destined then they should just continue in their terrible lifestyles. :down:

Sealion
SomaliNetizen
SomaliNetizen
Posts: 508
Joined: Sun Oct 02, 2011 10:15 pm

Re: Christopher Hitchens is dead

Postby Sealion » Fri Dec 16, 2011 2:54 pm

I read his last piece in Vanity Fair at a newsstand and he apparently went through a terribly painful ordeal in his last days on earth battling cancer and pneumonia. I am glad he felt the pain that was inflicted on all those innocent Iraqis the destruction of whose country he eloquently advocated.

Good riddance to a warmongering pig.
omg I agree so much! +1

Jaidi
SomaliNet Heavyweight
SomaliNet Heavyweight
Posts: 2228
Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:53 pm

Re: Christopher Hitchens is dead

Postby Jaidi » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:05 pm

My problems with Hitchens were not with his atheism but much more with how he tried to project his own views as the pinnacle of rationality. His attacks on all basis of religion were hardly convincing and often historical. His political views were also reprehensible, especially post 9/11. His arrogance and straight up bigotry was often thinly masqueraded as progressive values.

He was definitely a talented writer though, but that doesn't negate any of this.

Jaidi
SomaliNet Heavyweight
SomaliNet Heavyweight
Posts: 2228
Joined: Wed Sep 28, 2011 12:53 pm

Re: Christopher Hitchens is dead

Postby Jaidi » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:09 pm

Very good review of his book :
I can barely explain how unsatisfying this book was to read. For a person to seriously criticize all religions, he would have to ask and answer a number of questions – which by no means could justly fit into one volume – and Hitchens seems unaware of any of these questions except in their most superficial form. What is a religion? Where does the term come from? Why is it used, by whom is it used, and for what reasons? How can we fairly compare two different traditions, say Catholicism and Buddhism, and consider the two to be the same type of thing – “religions” – if we have not explained what a religion is in the first place?

I will illuminate Hitchens’ ignorance of religions and religion – never mind what I could make of his unsubtle fear of Islam: The book’s subtitle rather obviously singles out one religion above all others. (What ecumenism! Is Hitchens really attacking all “religion,” or trying to shift our attention elsewhere? He hates religion, but supports a war on states of only one kind of religion.) Firstly it must be said that given an opportunity to scan the interior of this man’s mind, we might expect a gibbous Moon. Littered with craters of ancient origin, gaps in knowledge which reflect his having missed out on more recent scholarship, such as those books published over the last 50 or 60 years. Secondly, a caution about academic modesty. Insofar as Hitchens discusses Mormonism, his insight is no better than a poor summary of better studies; considering Hitchens’ baseline assumption of religious delusion or ill-will, any fair-minded author would do better to reference a more scholarly work.[1] So far as Islam goes, he confirms my Law of Wikipedia Articles: One is impressed by a Wikipedia article in inverse proportion to one’s knowledge of that topic.

Hitchens’ summary of other people’s books about Islam does little better, condensing that best of times, the rational sunshine radiating from Europe’s 8th-12th centuries. What about all the recent scholarship and debate which challenges Hitchens’ contrived lines separating religion and rationality, or the detailed investigations into the intersection of Islam, knowledge and power?[2] The reader will find no reference to reputable texts, no close reading of theology, revelation or history, and no attempt at weighing the evidence. He can’t even read the evidence![3] (Hitchens’ Arabic extends to little more than well-broadcast awareness of the definite article. Hitchens needs very badly for us to know that he knows the definite article is transliterated “al-”.) In all of two footnotes we conclude that the “Koran” is simply a mish-mash of Christian and Jewish ideas.[4] But Islamic scholarship understands the religion to be the completion of a chain of Divine Reminders, including Judaism and Christianity. For Hitchens to accuse Islam of plagiarizing Judaism and Christianity is to conclude that Islam is what it says it is supposed to be, albeit messily so.

Hitchens should more concern himself that the premises of his book undermine its conclusion. He tells us that religion is an illusion of the mind; now that we have matured as a species, we should snap out of it (the “Enlightenment” is that snapping sound.) Be scientific, reasonable, pleasant and empirical. But if we were to be scientific, reasonable, etc., should we not toss out at first chance any study which attempts to explain evil through the influence of religion, which is an illusion? ‘X’ is made up, he says, and ‘X’ is the cause of all the problems in the world; wouldn’t the Creator (or “creator”) of ‘X’ be better to blame? I wonder why it is that when a person does evil, that evil is because of that person’s religion? If a person is an adherent of two religions, will he be twice as evil? If an extremist kills in the name of religion, do we hold the extremist responsible, or the religion, or is that question too simple? But Islam doesn’t validate actions simply because one undertakes them in the name of Islam. Even if it did, why would hundreds of millions of people identify with such moral vacuity?

Hitchens wants us to believe that men need no ethical instruction book; if that is the case, why does he have to write a book to tell people to stop reading (religious) books? Should it not be dazzlingly obvious? But Hitchens fundamentally fails to grasp human complexity; never mind his stunning ignorance of the Islamic ideal of innate and basic morality – the fitra; Dartmouth Professor Kevin Reinhart has done a wonderful job of explicating and clarifying early Islamic debates on the implications of this original innocence.[5] Contrarily, Hitchens’ sample individual is basically a passive and clueless idiot, not only affected by the religious idea but seized, occupied and liberated by it all at once; he offers no resistance but instead welcomes faith’s tanks and guns with flowers and parades. To be at all consistent, Hitchens should understand religion as a set of beliefs, practices and customs adopted by different people in different ways, and then debate how much agency a person, historically or morally, can be said to have. Just as a language does not spread itself, but is adopted by peoples and cultures – accounting for dialects, slang and change over time – so too faiths. We cannot trace when faith began, or separate it from modern humanity anymore than we can separate spiritual and metaphysical impulses. Moreover, the idea of religion as an academic category of study dates from Europe’s 19th-century, when the hierarchical view of the spiritual world was displaced by the secular idea of “world religions,” each of which was measured against Christianity.[6]

Such ways of living and believing are commonly if contentiously labeled “religions” as a legacy of past practice, and pragmatically because we need a language to represent an innate impulse far beyond Hitchens’ simple dialectics. People want a system to make sense of their lives. This is not a need Hitchens takes seriously, all the more embarrassing because this need is fulfilled by the atheism he so champions. Is atheism a religion? On certain interpretations, Hinayana Buddhism does not recognize a soul or a spiritual realm; it has no otherworldliness, so to speak, but it is still somehow a “religion.” Neither the rational nor the empirical perspective indicates a preference for theism or atheism, and atheism proceeds from the physical to the metaphysical. That a belief in God imposes an admission that our understanding can go no further is an interesting point, but no different than the tautology that is empiricism. We can use our minds to explain the way the world works because the way the world works created minds that are capable of understanding the way the world works. No matter how far you go, the end is always the beginning: If not God, then some other force or process takes His place. No philosopher has yet dug us out of this apparent conundrum; suffice it to say Hitchens cannot.[7]

But a debate of this intensity is too much seriousness for a man disinterested in the directions of his argument, and more so the people they doom. If religion poisons everything, the religious are either infected or contagious. If we are infected, we are infected in the mind. Our brains must be cleansed. If we are contagious, we must be put under quarantine. A glow-in-the-dark yellow jacket is not blinding enough to throw us off the obvious inversion of an Islamic expression, God is Greater.[8] Hitchens’ actual goal is to cheer on and encourage war on one religion above all others. What Hitchens requires is a sufficiently ecumenical outrage. An insulting book that apparently offends every faith and tradition, to justify or distract from his pretensions to intellectual integrity. George Bush came, confronted and conquered Hitchens far more easily than he did Iraq. (Which I suppose is Islam’s fault, too.)

Hitchens’ recent flip-flopping is miraculously convenient; it explains much of the actual harm religion can cause. Hitchens condemns religion and cheers the Bush administration’s end-times foreign policy. Like setting Iraq and Iran on fire for eight years; let the religions fight to the death! But “religion” poisons everything, which means all religions are equal(ly bad), which means he shouldn’t prefer any one religion over any other. Here is how bad things happen in religion’s name: People who don’t even believe in religion use religion to further worldly and bloody ends. Retain this the next time you hear the vacuity that “religion” is the source of all bad things and only bad things. Those with sharp tongues and minds are often the most dangerous. They can justify to themselves any kind of moral contortion or selfish necessity.

Keep in mind that the sole uniform aspect to each enormity Hitchens calls up is that it involves human beings. Hence, to blame religion – when he does not even tell us what religion is except that it is false – is not just inconsistent but obtuse. After all, we can isolate sexuality and argue that sexuality is to blame for humanity’s ills. It helps that sexual desire is as real, and yet as hard to define or pin down as the spiritual impulse. Or we could take a different tack. Were it not for evolutionary developments in the human intellect, humans would simply be too dumb to cause each other the traumatic and total harm the ability to harness nuclear fission has realized. Why not blame human intelligence for evil? If we were a stupider species, there would be no oppression, hypocrisy or class bias. As an added bonus, we’d be too thick to come up with religion. And since religion poisons everything, problem solved. Though, “How Intelligence Poisons Everything” would be an unpopular subtitle.

Saraxnow
SomaliNet Heavyweight
SomaliNet Heavyweight
Posts: 4751
Joined: Mon Jun 27, 2011 7:02 pm

Re: Christopher Hitchens is dead

Postby Saraxnow » Fri Dec 16, 2011 3:18 pm

If he wasn't a neocon, criminal war-supporting monster one would have had some sympathy to spare, but good riddance to bad rubbish.

union
SomaliNet Super
SomaliNet Super
Posts: 9071
Joined: Sat Oct 31, 2009 8:02 pm

Re: Christopher Hitchens is dead

Postby union » Fri Dec 16, 2011 6:52 pm

Fuck you all.

Daanyerow
SomaliNetizen
SomaliNetizen
Posts: 351
Joined: Mon Nov 07, 2011 8:00 am

Re: Christopher Hitchens is dead

Postby Daanyerow » Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:01 am

The godfather of all the dumb athiests in the word must be getting his dues now. If you think there is no god and no life and accountability after death, what you got to lose if you proclaim the shahada while on your death bed. But I guess Allah had other plans for the dead kaafir.

nassir71
Posts: 77
Joined: Sat Oct 29, 2011 1:59 am

Re: Christopher Hitchens, dead at 62

Postby nassir71 » Sat Dec 17, 2011 5:05 am

Image

LMFAO!!!!

Christopher Hitchens was a scumbag war-mongering KAFIR that has spent his life working hard advocating the killing of innocent Iraqi's and propagating hate and ignorance against Muslims and our religion. GOOD RIDDANCE!!! **SPITS**


OUR SPONSOR: LOGIN TO HIDE

Hello, Has your question been answered on this page? We hope yes. If not, you can start a new thread and post your question(s). It is free to join. You can also search our over a million pages (just scroll up and use our site-wide search box) or browse the forums.

  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to “General - General Discussions”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Ah12, nnjrewzas112 and 56 guests