They lied to me about Islamic history

[SultanOrder]

My goodness, you are becoming even funnier

Oh please let us continue this conversation. What are these overall truths that are not linked to ideals, and how do they relate to people and their actions.

[Hyperactive]

lol samadoon, inader, it's normal to be disappointed in some point in islamic history, i would rather to call it muslims history in any given era. in our curriculum is worse. just shows what we agree on politically. i grow up angry at many of them starting with sayidina Umar, Ali, Abaas all the way to ummayata to othmaniyeen!

you know why? cause as kids from 3 years we were told it was greatest thing as great as quran and sunnah!! .

then when we studied and made sense of it they were great people, made great achievements, fought for islam /muslim domination, but when you think of them as human/individuals, after all they were human just like us who happened to make a history!

the worse isnt a random mullah but even my dad would tell me at age of 8 when i rise some questions; تِلْكَ أُمَّةٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ لَهَا مَا كَسَبَتْ وَلَكُمْ مَا كَسَبْتُمْ وَلَا تُسْأَلُونَ عَمَّا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ ) . in other words: just learn about good stuff and what you think was bad, wasnt as bad it looks, but was different era and how you judge them when you didnt live their lives!!!

we started learning islamic history from grade 1, starts arabs pre-islam, their personality, poems , wars etc. and i dont know about other arab countries but in the khaliij, the amount of hate we studied regarding othmaniyeen and how they hated us cause we were arabs ( to make excuse the khaliij royal families that work with british to get rid of khalifa othmania!)

thanks to Allah no one depends on school curriculum and people actually go and study from other sources.

[IRONm@N]

You just another munaafuq,

so you rather believe the history written by the westerners?

[Enlightened~Sista]

Do tell...

My choice not to delve into it is primarily a result of what is found within it. Learning particular truths would probably be detrimental to me. It has been mostly a negative response, from my end. It isn't an issue of politics, or the end of the revelations, but one of internal conflicts. I feel as long as my beliefs and actions are correct and follow what is in the Qur'an and hadiths as I've understood them and have been taught, I'm good. Unfortunately that itself is hard enough, so no need to compound my problems by introducing further tensions lol.

I don't know why Perfect Order needs further elaboration; these words are very clear....very wise of you.

[Enlightened~Sista]

lol samadoon, inader, it's normal to be disappointed in some point in islamic history, i would rather to call it muslims history in any given era. in our curriculum is worse. just shows what we agree on politically. i grow up angry at many of them starting with sayidina Umar, Ali, Abaas all the way to ummayata to othmaniyeen!

you know why? cause as kids from 3 years we were told it was greatest thing as great as quran and sunnah!! .

then when we studied and made sense of it they were great people, made great achievements, fought for islam /muslim domination, but when you think of them as human/individuals, after all they were human just like us who happened to make a history!

the worse isnt a random mullah but even my dad would tell me at age of 8 when i rise some questions; تِلْكَ أُمَّةٌ قَدْ خَلَتْ لَهَا مَا كَسَبَتْ وَلَكُمْ مَا كَسَبْتُمْ وَلَا تُسْأَلُونَ عَمَّا كَانُوا يَعْمَلُونَ ) . in other words: just learn about good stuff and what you think was bad, wasnt as bad it looks, but was different era and how you judge them when you didnt live their lives!!!

we started learning islamic history from grade 1, starts arabs pre-islam, their personality, poems , wars etc. and i dont know about other arab countries but in the khaliij, the amount of hate we studied regarding othmaniyeen and how they hated us cause we were arabs ( to make excuse the khaliij royal families that work with british to get rid of khalifa othmania!)

thanks to Allah no one depends on school curriculum and people actually go and study from other sources.

Nothing more needs to be said that ayaah is sufficient.

[Thuganomics]

What is Taught: The first mention of man in flight was by Roger Bacon, who drew a flying apparatus. Leonardo da Vinci also conceived of airborne transport and drew several prototypes.

What Should be Taught: Ibn Firnas of Islamic Spain invented, constructed and tested a flying machine in the 800's A.D. Roger Bacon learned of flying machines from Arabic references to Ibn Firnas' machine. The latter's invention antedates Bacon by 500 years and Da Vinci by some 700 years.

What is Taught: Glass mirrors were first produced in 1291 in Venice.

What Should be Taught: Glass mirrors were in use in Islamic Spain as early as the 11th century. The Venetians learned of the art of fine glass production from Syrian artisans during the 9th and 10th centuries.

What is Taught: Until the 14th century, the only type of clock available was the water clock. In 1335, a large mechanical clock was erected in Milan, Italy. This was possibly the first weight-driven clock.

What Should be Taught: A variety of mechanical clocks were produced by Spanish Muslim engineers, both large and small, and this knowledge was transmitted to Europe through Latin translations of Islamic books on mechanics. These clocks were weight-driven. Designs and illustrations of epi-cyclic and segmental gears were provided. One such clock included a mercury escapement. The latter type was directly copied by Europeans during the 15th century. In addition, during the 9th century, Ibn Firnas of Islamic Spain, according to Will Durant, invented a watch-like device which kept accurate time. The Muslims also constructed a variety of highly accurate astronomical clocks for use in their observatories.

What is Taught: In the 17th century, the pendulum was developed by Galileo during his teenage years. He noticed a chandelier swaying as it was being blown by the wind. As a result, he went home and invented the pendulum.

What Should be Taught: The pendulum was discovered by Ibn Yunus al-Masri during the 10th century, who was the first to study and document its oscillatory motion. Its value for use in clocks was introduced by Muslim physicists during the 15th century.

What is Taught: Movable type and the printing press was invented in the West by Johannes Gutenberg of Germany during the 15th century.

What Should be Taught: In 1454, Gutenberg developed the most sophisticated printing press of the Middle Ages. However, movable brass type was in use in Islamic Spain 100 years prior, and that is where the West's first printing devices were made.

What is Taught: Isaac Newton's 17th century study of lenses, light and prisms forms the foundation of the modern science of optics.

What Should be Taught: In the 1lth century al-Haytham determined virtually everything that Newton advanced regarding optics centuries prior and is regarded by numerous authorities as the "founder of optics. " There is little doubt that Newton was influenced by him. Al-Haytham was the most quoted physicist of the Middle Ages. His works were utilized and quoted by a greater number of European scholars during the 16th and 17th centuries than those of Newton and Galileo combined.

What is Taught: Isaac Newton, during the 17th century, discovered that white light consists of various rays of colored light.

What Should be Taught: This discovery was made in its entirety by al-Haytham (1lth century) and Kamal ad-Din (14th century). Newton did make original discoveries, but this was not one of them.

What is Taught: The concept of the finite nature of matter was first introduced by Antione Lavoisier during the 18th century. He discovered that, although matter may change its form or shape, its mass always remains the same. Thus, for instance, if water is heated to steam, if salt is dissolved in water or if a piece of wood is burned to ashes, the total mass remains unchanged.

What Should be Taught: The principles of this discovery were elaborated centuries before by Islamic Persia's great scholar, al-Biruni (d. 1050). Lavoisier was a disciple of the Muslim chemists and physicists and referred to their books frequently.






What is Taught: The Greeks were the developers of trigonometry.

What Should be Taught: Trigonometry remained largely a theoretical science among the Greeks. It was developed to a level of modern perfection by Muslim scholars, although the weight of the credit must be given to al-Battani. The words describing the basic functions of this science, sine, cosine and tangent, are all derived from Arabic terms. Thus, original contributions by the Greeks in trigonometry were minimal.

What is Taught: The use of decimal fractions in mathematics was first developed by a Dutchman, Simon Stevin, in 1589. He helped advance the mathematical sciences by replacing the cumbersome fractions, for instance, 1/2, with decimal fractions, for example, 0.5.

What Should be Taught: Muslim mathematicians were the first to utilize decimals instead of fractions on a large scale. Al-Kashi's book, Key to Arithmetic, was written at the beginning of the 15th century and was the stimulus for the systematic application of decimals to whole numbers and fractions thereof. It is highly probably that Stevin imported the idea to Europe from al-Kashi's work.

What is Taught: The first man to utilize algebraic symbols was the French mathematician, Francois Vieta. In 1591, he wrote an algebra book describing equations with letters such as the now familiar x and y's. Asimov says that this discovery had an impact similar to the progression from Roman numerals to Arabic numbers.

What Should be Taught: Muslim mathematicians, the inventors of algebra, introduced the concept of using letters for unknown variables in equations as early as the 9th century A.D. Through this system, they solved a variety of complex equations, including quadratic and cubic equations. They used symbols to develop and perfect the binomial theorem.

What is Taught: The difficult cubic equations (x to the third power) remained unsolved until the 16th century when Niccolo Tartaglia, an Italian mathematician, solved them.

What Should be Taught: Cubic equations as well as numerous equations of even higher degrees were solved with ease by Muslim mathematicians as early as the 10th century.

What is Taught: The concept that numbers could be less than zero, that is negative numbers, was unknown until 1545 when Geronimo Cardano introduced the idea.

What Should he Taught: Muslim mathematicians introduced negative numbers for use in a variety of arithmetic functions at least 400 years prior to Cardano.

What is Taught: In 1614, John Napier invented logarithms and logarithmic tables.

What Should be Taught: Muslim mathematicians invented logarithms and produced logarithmic tables several centuries prior. Such tables were common in the Islamic world as early as the 13th century.

What is Taught: During the 17th century Rene Descartes made the discovery that algebra could be used to solve geometrical problems. By this, he greatly advanced the science of geometry.

What Should be Taught: Mathematicians of the Islamic Empire accomplished precisely this as early as the 9th century A.D. Thabit bin Qurrah was the first to do so, and he was followed by Abu'l Wafa, whose 10th century book utilized algebra to advance geometry into an exact and simplified science.

What is Taught: Isaac Newton, during the 17th century, developed the binomial theorem, which is a crucial component for the study of algebra.

What Should be Taught: Hundreds of Muslim mathematicians utilized and perfected the binomial theorem. They initiated its use for the systematic solution of algebraic problems during the 10th century (or prior).

What is Taught: No improvement had been made in the astronomy of the ancients during the Middle Ages regarding the motion of planets until the 13th century. Then Alphonso the Wise of Castile (Middle Spain) invented the Aphonsine Tables, which were more accurate than Ptolemy's.

What Should be Taught: Muslim astronomers made numerous improvements upon Ptolemy's findings as early as the 9th century. They were the first astronomers to dispute his archaic ideas. In their critic of the Greeks, they synthesized proof that the sun is the center of the solar system and that the orbits of the earth and other planets might be elliptical. They produced hundreds of highly accurate astronomical tables and star charts. Many of their calculations are so precise that they are regarded as contemporary. The AlphonsineTables are little more than copies of works on astronomy transmitted to Europe via Islamic Spain, i.e. the Toledo Tables.
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[grandpakhalif]

You just another munaafuq,

so you rather believe the history written by the westerners?

WE lost another one to ahlu bidca.

[udun]

its not new that scholars or sheikhs lie about the islamic history inorder to brainwash people. its proboganda and everybody does it but WAHAABIS are one who does it most . wahaabis scholars will make YAZID IBN MUcaawiya man who murdared children as young as 2 years old as a holy man if you listen wahaabi scholars.

for me couple of years ago Sh Shibile was giving somalis QUDBAD about Shia and how bad shia are . he said Shias have different quran than US(sunnis) he took examples that shias added extra verses in some surah in the quran and some surah they thrown away verses.


actually first i did not though this sheikh is lying. i started searching in internet and even ask my iraki shia co worker to show me hes quran or if he can bring me quran copy. i found out shia quran and sunni quran is 100% identical.

so people BE CAREFULL wahaaabi(salafi) scholars all of them are walking beenaalayaaal.

Why don't you spare us your nonsense and bring proof where Salafi Muslims praise about Yasid Ibn Mu'awiya? Every thing I heard about him was that he was a dictator, and I even came across Sheikhs who called him a major sinner. Fyi, the history that we have today as Muslim is always one-sided depending on the group that you're dealing with.

For Shia, there are groups in that sect who dizz daily Aisha (ra)--the wife of Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him), Omar (ra), Abuubakar (ra), Osmaan Bin Afan (ra), and Mu'awiya Bin Abuu Sufyaan (ra). These men have done more for Islam than the whole Shia group has ever done; not to mention the Shia's allegiance with every infidel invader who invaded Muslim lands and defiled the Muslim Umma including Ghangis Khan and many others.

[udun]

^ But history will help you understand the revelations (Quran and hadiths) better..

[gurey25]

shirib:too many man.starting from the Ummayads to the Ottoman Empire.
They didnt tell me Abdil Malik Ibn Marwan was a blood sucking scholar,or how the Ottoman rulers were playboys with over 500 concubines.They also hided from me Al-hajaaj brought down the kaaba with artillery and the extent of his warlordism and they ommitted the shia were right about Muawiyah and the Karbala day.the biggest shock of all was that the saxaabah used to get knowlege from a woman woman (the daughter of a saxaabi) and used to sit around her in a circle (xalaqah) with uncovered face(just khimaar) something that wouldnt be possible today due to the Saudization of the Deen.

You sound surprised, you should approach history from all angles.
You can even learn from your enemies.

there is nothing surprising or incorrect about what you typed.
although i would excuse alhajjaj for being bloodthirsty,
he was assigned Iraq after all, and Iraq has always been ardul fitnah..

If i was made governor of Iraq in those days, i would not be able to stop myself from massacring tens of thousands myself.
and i am a nice guy..

[IronSheik]

Nanees:dont worry,GK ciyaal fish and chips buu waabsadaa,not me.I'm wage cyber jihad on him faster than he can say Kaafir
Nabeela:I'm serious inadeer.They are always omitting part of the story and take things out of context,be careful.La jiifiyaana banaan weeeyaan woxoodo
where is our own young mullah sheikh hyper ibn active al-qatari now adays talow?

Abti what do you mean they are not doing it on purpose? What is your point.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

shirib:too many man.starting from the Ummayads to the Ottoman Empire.
They didnt tell me Abdil Malik Ibn Marwan was a blood sucking scholar,or how the Ottoman rulers were playboys with over 500 concubines.They also hided from me Al-hajaaj brought down the kaaba with artillery and the extent of his warlordism and they ommitted the shia were right about Muawiyah and the Karbala day.the biggest shock of all was that the saxaabah used to get knowlege from a woman woman (the daughter of a saxaabi) and used to sit around her in a circle (xalaqah) with uncovered face(just khimaar) something that wouldnt be possible today due to the Saudization of the Deen.

You sound surprised, you should approach history from all angles.
You can even learn from your enemies.

there is nothing surprising or incorrect about what you typed.
although i would excuse alhajjaj for being bloodthirsty,
he was assigned Iraq after all, and Iraq has always been ardul fitnah..

If i was made governor of Iraq in those days, i would not be able to stop myself from massacring tens of thousands myself.
and i am a nice guy..

I have always found something tragic about al-hajjaj, almost Shakespearian. He's often portrayed as a saddam hussein of the ancient times but he's really just an ambitious man who rose from a humble school-teacher to being one of the most influential figures in muslim history. Besides, ruling Iraq is like ruling a zoo with all the cage-doors open.