Salafi Marriage Bandits.

[The_Patriot]

Adali I think the reason behind this is somali girls are neglected they do les interraction with their folks and hence learn less of their culture apart from being indoctrinated by their single moms of the vices of Somali men.

Even in Kenya Somali women have earn the same reputation.

I would like to judge further but to tell you the truth when I see somali woman with ajnabis their look seems strange, maybe because I dont give a F about it. They were expecting me to get a shock or something.

[Hyperactive]

Adali, abcent of fathers in somali houses something to do too for males and females in our community. even here in arabaha father just bread winners and rest of the day chilling in somali club we have or in the somali maqayad!!

girls normally very close to their dads but if he is not there , she will look some one to love!! the whole community needs education, specially somali parents.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

this is part of a larger problem which is Somali girls have become cheap flower these days, from the age of 17 these girls lose their virginity and from that point on they get handed around from one guy to the next, part of the blame is us Somali guys because we are their default partner but we have failed to keep them inline walahi. i have witnessed a Somali girl cursing the shit out of a Jareer guy and as he was about to knock her out i stopped him, literately days after i see them snogging in the middle of the street, i can't say shit because her brother is a hardcore gangster i don't even want to get involved.

girls who date or marry outside of their race need to be exposed, humiliated and shunned. this has to be done until we get this epidemic under control.

This.

You don't know how embarrassing it is when a paki will refuse his daughter to cadaan/madow revert but somali parent will literally throw their girl at them.

[The_Patriot]

this is part of a larger problem which is Somali girls have become cheap flower these days, from the age of 17 these girls lose their virginity and from that point on they get handed around from one guy to the next, part of the blame is us Somali guys because we are their default partner but we have failed to keep them inline walahi. i have witnessed a Somali girl cursing the shit out of a Jareer guy and as he was about to knock her out i stopped him, literately days after i see them snogging in the middle of the street, i can't say shit because her brother is a hardcore gangster i don't even want to get involved.

girls who date or marry outside of their race need to be exposed, humiliated and shunned. this has to be done until we get this epidemic under control.

This.

You don't know how embarrassing it is when a paki will refuse his daughter to cadaan/madow revert but somali parent will literally throw their girl at them.

If you refuse she will elope with him either case and this time she will bring for you a garac kid.
So you have no option but to accept it.

[grandpakhalif]

Guys not all coverts are bad, my aunt married a white dutch boy and he's the best father and husband one can imagine, the dude loves his daughter to death and we haven't heard any complaints. So don't generalize.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

That's what happens when you let your women off the leash. You don't see it with arabs, pakis, indians etc. you only see it with stupid somali girls. I wouldn't let any of my relatives marry outside the tribe let alone tu mid madow noo keenta oo magaciisu yahay Abdulaahi tyrone almubarak al haji (insert more ludicrous arabic mumbo jumbo).

So you mean we should do some honour killings

I will not murder a relative but I will send her on a one way ticket to the somali outback disguised as "two weeks on Berbera beach". I don't need to worry though, my family are very xenophobic as it goes.

[The_Patriot]

Guys not all coverts are bad, my aunt married a white dutch boy and he's the best father and husband one can imagine, the dude loves his daughter to death and we haven't heard any complaints. So don't generalize.

whats the chance of winning a lottery ticket?
Your auntie won a lottery ticket so are you implying that if others buy a lottery ticket they will be all winners?

[Hyperactive]

Guys not all coverts are bad, my aunt married a white dutch boy and he's the best father and husband one can imagine, the dude loves his daughter to death and we haven't heard any complaints. So don't generalize.

granpa, no one saying converts are bad. but when some one been a muslim for few weeks/months, instead learning deen, to look somali desperate girl. you may wonder secretly : balayadu ma anago no so muslimay!

[Teeri]

Assalamu Caleykum,

I would like to continue this discussion from another forum.

http://forums.islamicawakening.com/f17/ ... top-55055/

This issue of certain thugs who become muslim, start wearing thobes and then marry women without their guardians consent. The main victims of these criminals are Revert sisters and Somali girls. Im sure you guys have heard about these horror stories, laakin nowadays it has become well known even to other muslim communities just the other day a pakistani brother came to me and said ' Akhi, why would a somali girl marry a jamaican guy who has been muslim for 3 months'..Yacnee everyone can see this is doomed to end in failure. Khair you could argue that one or two cases work out laakin the majority when they have fullfilled their desires they dash them back at us. We as Somalis have to pick up the pieces, and imagine the impact on these little girls who cut of their family ties to be with thes losers.

The majority of these thugs just happen to be 'Salafi' and i use that term only because this is what they are known as. In reality they are far removed from the methodology of the prophet (sallahu caleyhi wasalam). And they also mostly happen to be black ex-criminals who bring their gang lifestyle into Islaam, they treat sisters basically like their 'bitches'. And we as Somalis shouldnt accomodate these thugs, nor should we be bullied into allowing them to marry our daughters.

We need to raise awareness about these issues, and all of you men need to take responsibility. And dont be intimidated by accusations of racism, etc.. Its reached a stage where by they have devalued the Somali woman, ive seen guys give one girl a book or a watch as a mehr. We need to protect our sisters inshallah.


one sister sums it up.

Aysha-Abdallah

This topic really makes me angry for the sake of Allah and I didn't want to comment initially but I just wanted to mention a few points that I feel are important.

I have known sisters who have fallen for these deceiving crooks. And these scoundrels do not just prey on reverts alone, very far from it. I have known many sisters personally and others through friends and family who are not reverts, who have knowledgeable maharim that love them dearly and have their best interests at heart but these low life scum still love to prey on them and manipulate them.

Their trick in the case of these sisters is, “Your father is a jahil racist, his reasons for rejection are unislamic and his wilayah is invalid. We can get married without him.” *Bombards the sister with fatawa to justify it*

These sisters are often very naïve innocent zealous in “following Qur’an and Sunnah”, and lack life experience whilst these scoundrels are older not just in age but also life experience, they are manipulative, con artists, rotten to the core.

I will give you a recent example:

A sister studying at uni meets a salafi crook at a shop where she bought something, he takes a liking to her, asks for her e mail so he can add her to his “da’wah mailing list”. Yeah you know the story somehow this “da’wah” gets into phone calls and texts over the phone. Somehow she falls for this crook and sees him as a wonderful knowledgable brother who is the be all and end all.. Who has been hard done by because of his racial background fathers always reject him because of his race. The sister finally tells her father there is someone who is a suitor. This sister was blessed her father honoured this blithering idiot to come to his house in the first place fed him talked to him etc. The father sees this crook to be unfit for his daughter for the following reasons:

(a) He has a complete different background and upbringing from his daughter. His daughter has never had a physical relationship with the opposite gender, she is quite reserved, naïve. He wants a brother who is similar to his daughter, who will compliment her personality and upbringing to make their marriage more compatible in the long run.

(b) His job isn’t steady and doesn’t pay enough to support a wife. His daughter is used to living comfortably, buys what she wants, etc. He knows his daughters life will be restricted if she marries him and after all the “lovey-dovey” phase reality will settle in and she won’t be able to cope living like that!

(c) He prefers his daughter to marry a religious brother from their own race/culture/background because he feels they will be more compatible in the long run and also he feels he can get more background checks for him as his family will be known in the community.

(d ) Most importantly, he is not religious enough because if he feared Allah he would not have e mailed his daughter, phoned her, formed any kind of relationship with her.

So tell me which scholar in his right mind is going to say any of these reasons are haram to reject someone and further valid enough to take someone’s wilayah?!!

“Your father rejected on unislamic grounds. I have a beard I wear a thobe to work I memorised a third of the qur’an I pray my salah in jama’ah what is wrong with my din?! He has gone against the sunnah. He is causing fitnah and fasad on the earth by rejecting me. Blah blah blah.” You get the point.

The sisters end up believing their fathers are their enemies and enemies of the sunnah and are racist juhhal. In the end they get some shoddy imam or “knowledgable” brother to make a nikah certificate and secretly leave home to live a life of “sunnah” with this wonderful knowledgeable pious brother…. Until he gets bored with her 6 months down the line and kicks her out or she finds out he has a couple of wives already with a dozen kids to his name. She has left her entire family for this scoundrel and he in return dumps her out on the road without a second look. What is she supposed to do now? Reality kicks in, she’s been duped, her father was right all along, he’s taken her innocence, made her lose her trust in men, eradicated her self esteem, ruined her life, caused heartbreak to her family, etc, etc.

These idiot juhhal have ruined entire families. I have seen grown men cry like babies because their daughters have left home. These scum know exactly what will happen to the sister when she leaves home, they know exactly what will happen to her family, the heartbreak the distraught the breaking apart of a family but they don't care, they don't fear Allah that is the bottom line.

There is this culture amongst salafis that if your father rejects a suitor for reasons such as the above they are ignorant reasons and warrant the wilayah to be taken away. You need to investigate the fathers reasons for rejecting someone, many fathers have valid reasons behind this! Most fathers reject these idiots because they can see through them. Most fathers want the best for their daughters and they are looking at the long term compatibility not just the here and now.

one of my mums' sister was young and met through her somali femal freind's husband a mixed race revert, his friend who happens to be Ogaden called my abti and told us he had 2 wifes previously and we should avoid him ( we all ready said before this info came about) , my abti told her he was gona shoot her if she brough in a madow to the family, told him to go somewhere else.


i have seen many of these reverts getting married to somali girls by by passing the father.

after many such incidents, some Somali men went to the masjid in west london to complain to the arab imam. these arab imams send kids to damaj in yemen and indoctrinate the sisters, they are not really salafist, they are emotionally attached to this sudden change of making freinds and wearing touba. its all good but there is no need to disrespect the father.

funny you never see the arab imam fathers giving their daughters to some foreigner. this has to stop, i know a Nigerian revert married to 2 somalis, one in birmingham one in london,

this has to stop, start with your family members, specially girls, educate them when they reach marriage age.

i know a case in canada where the somali sister ignored her fathers advice of not marrying a madow revert, she called a local somali imam after he beats the shit out of her, she once run back to the family, he came and batterd her infront of the old father who could not do anything against this big jareer.



and yes, many of them are former gangsters

[grandpakhalif]

Guys not all coverts are bad, my aunt married a white dutch boy and he's the best father and husband one can imagine, the dude loves his daughter to death and we haven't heard any complaints. So don't generalize.

granpa, no one saying converts are bad. but when some one been a muslim for few weeks/months, instead learning deen, to look somali desperate girl. you may wonder secretly : balayadu ma anago no so muslimay!

yeah stay away from those, kuwas waxay rabban inay no dha dhiciyaan.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

If you refuse she will elope with him either case and this time she will bring for you a garac kid.
So you have no option but to accept it.

You won't find that in more strict familes like asians, arabs etc. Even indhayar marry high-flying, wealthy cadaan/madow if they're gonna marry shisheeye. Lakiin somali girls not only marry shisheeye but the worst of them e.g. ex-convict, unemlployed, thug, playboy etc.

[Hyperactive]

people people, not not somali girls dont want to marry high profile revert/ajnabi, it's just happened they arent that high profile people who are doctors themselves or work in science research career!

you only meet people like you or less.

[abdalla11]

Reverts are the best moslims in my view. Four of my best friends are reverts, they pray fajr in the mosque, but none of them have criminal background

[Jaidi]

Sudani and Xabashi ? are you kidding me, i'm in 2012 FAh who left you behind in 1990s Somali chicks are hot commodities these days, they are famously known as Cheap N Clean, every guy in the gym, out in the football field, in the club and now even in the Masjid is thinking about getting some Somali flower for launch. Its really happening, ask your mates to be honest with you, give out questionairs and find out the statistics if you don't believe me.

It's true and its too late. You are fighting a losing battle my friend.

Just worry about yourself and your relatives, individualism is the order of the day

[Nomand]

am i the only person here who does not give a rats ass?

i say its their lives let them make their own mistakes. nevermind some random somali girl i have never seen before, if we are honest non of us can stop our own blood sisters from marrying a black convert unless u want to do honour killing and get the death penalty. i know plenty of somali guys who married white and arab women and 70 percent of them regret and give me advice to never marry outside the somali race.

the truth is more somali guys marry ajanbi then somali girls. but no one cares about somali guys with non somali girls so all we talk about is a handful of girls around 5 to 10 in each city that are married to ajanbi guys.i know this somali woman who is married to an arab guy and he gives her a daily beating even the neighbours can hear her screams.