Did the people who died for free Somalia ..die in vain??

[ZubeirAwal]

The solution is not killing innocent civilians, wrong is wrong. I acknowledge everything wrong the army did, unacceptable, they killed their own people. SNM also killed civilians, every somali person knows that. If don't believe me, you go read the reports of unhcr, human right watch etc.

First of all are you telling me SNM killed one of their own, like their own people(tribe), i think not, i think they went ahead and killed off some other tribes as a revenge case, this happens in alot of wars after all Somali qabils(Majeerteen, Dhulbahante, Hawiye, Gadabursi & Co) took part in butchering the isaaq in their home i don't see the reason to complain about them revenge killing, every somali does that, and besides why are you defending the Somali Army trying to label them and SNM criminals when it was the HJ SNM members that push back the other isaaqs from butchering your tribe in revenge, you should be thanking the SNM.

smh ..the war was never somaliland vs. somalia..but dowlada vs. different jabhado..so don't make this to something it never was. The snm was fighting to overthrow the government so was many other people.
So I don't get this somalia vs. somaliland mentality.

Mandeeq Walal, its the truth, it was Somaliland vs Somalia, the standard of living a Somali had living in the south was far much better then that of Somaliland, the deal in 1960 was to develop both countries and to have a Prime Minister and President factor which didn't work out for the isaaq (powerhouse's of the north) so they started jailing our heroes such as Cigaal (AUN) and Hadraawi as they set up military bases across Somaliland and prisons, aswell as checkpoints to oppress the people. One thing you must understand the Isaaq main strategy of fighting is to fight outside civilian populations, look at all the SNM videos in youtube all of them were filmed in the Miyii. Get my drift sista

[metamorphosis]

Yep , unfortunately the people Siyad Barre sent twice to war against Ethiopia died for nothing .

First of all there was only one official war with ethiopia under MSB's command. Besides she was referring to those who died to ACHIEVER independence. Failed attempt to incriminate Siyad there sahan lol.

[ZubeirAwal]

OnTopic: I think the Somali veterans who fought in the Ogaden war in 1977 did not die in vain, alot of them were isaaq aswell as Mj's and i bet you they are sipping tea and living in their cities today.

[Shirib]

Abuukar Subeer,

So if I go and kill a bunch of innocent Isaaq civilians, its okay for you to kill civilians of my clan for revenge?

[SahanGalbeed]

Yep , unfortunately the people Siyad Barre sent twice to war against Ethiopia died for nothing .

First of all there was only one official war with ethiopia under MSB's command. Besides she was referring to those who died to ACHIEVER independence. Failed attempt to incriminate Siyad there sahan lol.

, okay .

[Rainbows]

Subeer you are an idiot.

[SheikhExecutive]

AbuukarSubeer


The also killed their own but also other tribes. There is no point we discuss this isssue, you believe so-called "revenge" killing innocent civilians is OK??, we are not going to get anywhere with this discussion.

[ZubeirAwal]

Abuukar Subeer,

So if I go and kill a bunch of innocent Isaaq civilians, its okay for you to kill civilians of my clan for revenge?

No it's not but unfortunetly thats the way the Human brain works , i don't see how to fix that problem, you can go kill those who partook in the killings if you can find them. I mean Somalis from hargeisa were hanged executed, all sorts of things,so for the people who are oppressed to get back at others is the way to human beings work, i only see prophets fixing this problem.

AbuukarSubeer


The also killed their own but also other tribes. There is no point we discuss this isssue, you believe so-called "revenge" killing innocent civilians is OK??, we are not going to get anywhere with this discussion.

Your incorrect saxib, wallahi i can swear to god SNM didn't lay an inch on their own, why do you think for 10 years the people were behind them, my father was a SNM supporter and ended up joining them along with his friends when they were just 16-18 and their dreams were broken thanks to the regime, SNM are like Hamaz , its a resistance they fought to defend their people from further oppression and thats that.

[Shirib]

Abuukar Subeer,

So if I go and kill a bunch of innocent Isaaq civilians, its okay for you to kill civilians of my clan for revenge?

No it's not but unfortunetly thats the way the Human brain works , i don't see how to fix that problem, you can go kill those who partook in the killings if you can find them. I mean Somalis from hargeisa were hanged executed, all sorts of things,so for the people who are oppressed to get back at others is the way to human beings work, i only see prophets fixing this problem.

U seem to have been justifying it earlier. Prophets are no more, the message is complete. You can't justify the killing of innocent civilians, even if it is done by your own kin.

If someone murders my father, and i go murder another persons father who was innocent. I am no better than the person who murdered my father.

[ZubeirAwal]

Abuukar Subeer,

So if I go and kill a bunch of innocent Isaaq civilians, its okay for you to kill civilians of my clan for revenge?

No it's not but unfortunetly thats the way the Human brain works , i don't see how to fix that problem, you can go kill those who partook in the killings if you can find them. I mean Somalis from hargeisa were hanged executed, all sorts of things,so for the people who are oppressed to get back at others is the way to human beings work, i only see prophets fixing this problem.

U seem to have been justifying it earlier. Prophets are no more, the message is complete. You can't justify the killing of innocent civilians, even if it is done by your own kin.

If someone murders my father, and i go murder another persons father who was innocent. I am no better than the person who murdered my father.

I can see where your coming from but what i was implying if it was someone who was in the army which is partaking in the killings, if it was someone killing another person who's innocent then i see the revenge kill as a big sin and then person who did the sin might aswell be dwelling in hell, i'm asking SheikhExecutive to bring me proof to show that the SNM killed their own, and when i met prophets i meant the prophesied Mahdi and Cisse A.S who , ofcourse, return as a man but will steer the world in justice.

[ManD333q]

smh ..the war was never somaliland vs. somalia..but dowlada vs. different jabhado..so don't make this to something it never was. The snm was fighting to overthrow the government so was many other people.
So I don't get this somalia vs. somaliland mentality.

Mandeeq Walal, its the truth, it was Somaliland vs Somalia, the standard of living a Somali had living in the south was far much better then that of Somaliland, the deal in 1960 was to develop both countries and to have a Prime Minister and President factor which didn't work out for the isaaq (powerhouse's of the north) so they started jailing our heroes such as Cigaal (AUN) and Hadraawi as they set up military bases across Somaliland and prisons, aswell as checkpoints to oppress the people. One thing you must understand the Isaaq main strategy of fighting is to fight outside civilian populations, look at all the SNM videos in youtube all of them were filmed in the Miyii. Get my drift sista [/quote]

I know but still do you think that the people of mogadishu deserve their situation, most of them were fighting for the same cause as the SNM.

[Thuganomics]

ManD333q;why are you replying to yourself

[Shirib]

ManD333q;why are you replying to yourself

she's not the quote thing just broke

[Thuganomics]

I see! waan yaabee

[Voltage]

hormood kacdoonkii Hanoolaato ee ka dhacay meelo badan oo ka mid ah Soomaaliya 1940s....hogaamiyigii kacdoonkaas Sheekh Xuseen Cali Hanoolato (Wagardhac) waxaana haleelay falaar ay soo gameen koox pro Italian ah ama taageersana Talyankii oo ku shirbaysay laajada Caliyaalo ama Aadan yabaal, waa sida ay ii xaqiijiyeen dad halkaay goob joog ka ahaa maalintaas.

He was my grandpa... Xussein Cali Maxamed Koshin, my mom's mom is [------] Ciise Maxamed Koshin...the number one freedom fighter, Somalia Hanoolaato was first shouted by him and became his nickname as well as the slogan of the future Somali state.