Imam Ahmed ibn Hanbal working with innovator worst than jews

[grandpakhalif]

In Manaqaaib al-Imam Ahmed by Ibn Al Jawzee it is mentioned that the messenger of the Khaleefah visited Imam Ahmed asking him about seeking aid and assistance from the people of desires and bidca, Imam Ahmed said: "They are not to be sought assistance from" The messenger then said: "Jews and Christians can be sought assistance from and they (i.e the people of innovation/desires) are not to be sought assistance from? " Imam Ahmed said: "Indeed the Jews and Christians do not call to their religions while a person of desire is a preacher (to his heretical innovation."

Imam Ahmed also said:

"Indeed it is not adequate to seek assistance from Ahlu Bid'ah wal-Ahwaa' in regards to any of the Muslim affairs as this is the greatest harm to the deen!"

Another incident occured:



After doing intense research regarding this topic now I know why the scholars considered it permissible for Americans to help Saudi Army become stronger because it does not contradict the Salaf. Mashallah, be happy I am educating you today. So next time you scream House of Saud are bunch of American slaves and Zionist slaves then blame Imams like Imam Ahmed who deemed it allowed under conditions.

[bareento]

When facing the savagery of the nascent capialism, the brave workers of canada fought for social security, they didnt think that it will be used
to feed maalaayacni second hand cyber terroists;

Eternal Glory to the Canadian Workers movement who made possible for maalaayacni to have plenty of time to jump from one silly ideology to another!
Sheekh abu Mulawwax is Murtad, sheekh Waahidullaah bin Chapatti is mushkir...wat will be the next step!

Being brought up by haram welfare money is curse!

B.

[Shirib]

So Saddam Hussein was worst than Jews and Christians?

[grandpakhalif]

So Saddam Hussein was worst than Jews and Christians?

Yes, Saddam Hussein was a kaafir and many scholars say that: He attacked muslims and massacred in Kuwait (lacnatullahi calayhum)


Sh. Ibn Baaz(rahimahullah)

We ask Allah (Exalted be He) to grant success to the people of Iraq to have a righteous ruler who leads and helps them
(Part No. 6; Page No. 149)
worship Allah, a ruler who will be merciful to their young and sympathizing with their old, help them do every good, and rule by the Shari`ah of Allah (Glorified and Exalted be He).
We ask Allah (Exalted be He) to remove Saddam Hussein, make him suffer disgraceful torment, and cast terror into his heart to withdraw his armies out of Kuwait. Allah (Exalted and Glorified be He) is the Bountiful, the Beneficent.

http://alifta.com/Fatawa/FatawaChapters ... &BookID=14

[Shirib]

O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people. (Quran 5:51)


Go and find what Imam Hanbali's commentary on this ayah is.

[Shirib]

So Saddam Hussein was worst than Jews and Christians?

Yes, Saddam Hussein was a kaafir and many scholars say that: He attacked muslims and massacred in Kuwait (lacnatullahi calayhum)


Sh. Ibn Baaz(rahimahullah)

We ask Allah (Exalted be He) to grant success to the people of Iraq to have a righteous ruler who leads and helps them
(Part No. 6; Page No. 149)
worship Allah, a ruler who will be merciful to their young and sympathizing with their old, help them do every good, and rule by the Shari`ah of Allah (Glorified and Exalted be He).
We ask Allah (Exalted be He) to remove Saddam Hussein, make him suffer disgraceful torment, and cast terror into his heart to withdraw his armies out of Kuwait. Allah (Exalted and Glorified be He) is the Bountiful, the Beneficent.

http://alifta.com/Fatawa/FatawaChapters ... &BookID=14

So he's a kaffir on the grounds that he killed other Muslims? What is he a kaffir on the grounds of?

[grandpakhalif]

Is that all? Do you think the illustrious and great Imam of the Salaf Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal rahimahullah was not aware of that ayaah when he stated this? Or your intelligence lead you to believe that you can make your own interpretation based upon ta'weel (false interpretation).

Please refer to the scholars about this matter and not to your own heart.

I brought you sharh of this issue so next time you critisise King Abdallah (xafidahullah) bring any salafi scholar who is against him. Not your own ideas and opinions.

[Shirib]

Surely the Imam had done tafsiir and all. Can you provide commentary he made on the ayah.

What you brought is very narrowly scoped.

[grandpakhalif]

Shirib realise that the scholars changed their view upon his Islam when he was imprisoned, since he openly showed Islam they declared him to be muslim again. But at the time he was a kaafir (gulf war)

It reads:

Many questions have been asked concerning Saddam Hussain and the position of the Muslim with regards to him, (and the fact that) he declared the shahadatan (declaration of Islam) as was seen (video recording), and other than that. (The question is) what is the (correct) position of the student of knowledge in this matter, and should one send peace upon him or not?

The Sheik responded:

All praise is for Allah, and may much peace and blessings be upon the Messenger of Allah, and upon (the Messenger's) family and companions.

In reality, the belief of the communist is a disbelieving belief. I have read what Saddam did in Iraq from the spilling of blood (killing) and the closing of the masajid from the worshippers and forbidding them from entering them, as well as the spreading of evil and other than that of affairs that took place from him. There is no doubt that these sort of actions are disbelief because the communist belief is disbelief. But the fact that he was jailed for an extended period of time and he declared the shahadatan (declaration of Islam) before being hung at the time of his death, based on that, we declare him to be a Muslim and we leave his affair to Allah -Aza wa Jel. We also say that there is no harm in praying over him. If a person is a student of knowledge in a land where the ruler orders prayer to be performed (janazah prayer performed in a distant land) over him, than a person should pray over him and leave his (Saddam's) affair to Allah.

sahab.net

[Shirib]

these guys have given themselves the power to declare someone gaal, then muslim again. cajiib

[grandpakhalif]

The Imam doesn't have any published tafsir that I am aware of.

[Shirib]

The Imam doesn't have any published tafsir that I am aware of.

okay

[MidriGeez]

So Saddam Hussein was worst than Jews and Christians?

Yes, Saddam Hussein was a kaafir and many scholars say that: He attacked muslims and massacred in Kuwait (lacnatullahi calayhum)


Sh. Ibn Baaz(rahimahullah)

We ask Allah (Exalted be He) to grant success to the people of Iraq to have a righteous ruler who leads and helps them
(Part No. 6; Page No. 149)
worship Allah, a ruler who will be merciful to their young and sympathizing with their old, help them do every good, and rule by the Shari`ah of Allah (Glorified and Exalted be He).
We ask Allah (Exalted be He) to remove Saddam Hussein, make him suffer disgraceful torment, and cast terror into his heart to withdraw his armies out of Kuwait. Allah (Exalted and Glorified be He) is the Bountiful, the Beneficent.

http://alifta.com/Fatawa/FatawaChapters ... &BookID=14

Never Accuse a muslim of being Kafir because you never know his intention nor you never know if he asked Allah swt for forgivness and allah swt Might have granted it. A muslim in the prophet Days was condemened to hell fire By the prophet for saying what you said about a kafir, you saying that about a muslim i wouldn't be soo comfortable if i was you. Repent to allah swt sxb.

[Keyblade]

O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people. (Quran 5:51)


Go and find what Imam Hanbali's commentary on this ayah is.

In this verse the word Awliyaa is used which is loosely translated here as allies. A more accurate translation would be patron.

Meaning of Wali (pl. Awliya)

[ZubeirAwal]

Grandpakhalif i am not being quick to judge your post but you are showing some hypocritical signs of you now taking the Shicii (People who Saddam Massacre'd) as your brotherly muslims or maybe your just using them to justify your point, when a few threads ago you were saying Sufi's and Shicii's are going to hell because Salafi's are the 1 sect that will go to jannah, one question.

How do you know that it is the Salafi's who are going to Jannah and not the Suufi's or Shiici,or any muslim in that case?

P.S when i say Salafi's i mean the modern day muslim who praises Saudi Arabia and Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahab.