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Somalia: Far from a failed state

Postby *Nobleman* » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:54 pm

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-17080664

Enterprise is the way forth :up:

Positive BBC article for a change, lets keep this thread politics free.

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Re: Somalia: Far from a failed state

Postby daiman » Mon Feb 20, 2012 12:59 pm

We are a failed state when we do not have a passport, one national flag, army.

We are a falied state when we are find in every corner of the World as refugees.

Let her sell her book, but no we FAILED.

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Re: Somalia: Far from a failed state

Postby Cinque Mtume » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:03 pm

It should be forbidden to deny that Somalia is a failed state, just like denying the holocaust can get you arrested.

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Re: Somalia: Far from a failed state

Postby eliteSomali » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:12 pm

It's not somalia that's failed, it's the somalis who failed.

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Re: Somalia: Far from a failed state

Postby Cinque Mtume » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:13 pm

eliteSomali wrote:It's not somalia that's failed, it's the somalis who failed.


Reread that sentence and realize how retarded you are.

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Re: Somalia: Far from a failed state

Postby Alphanumeric » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:17 pm

Cinque Mtume wrote:
eliteSomali wrote:It's not somalia that's failed, it's the somalis who failed.


Reread that sentence and realize how retarded you are.


His sentence is far from retarded. But I disagree.

Somalia is a collapsed state, not failed. Somalis and the freemarket go well with each other.

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Re: Somalia: Far from a failed state

Postby eliteSomali » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:20 pm

Cinque Mtume wrote:
eliteSomali wrote:It's not somalia that's failed, it's the somalis who failed.


Reread that sentence and realize how retarded you are.

It ain't my fault you can't understand beyond the obvious. Reread it again and try to understand where I am going with it.

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Re: Somalia: Far from a failed state

Postby Happy Desperado » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:25 pm

Alphanumeric wrote:Somalia is a collapsed state, not failed. Somalis and the freemarket go well with each other.


:up:

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Re: Somalia: Far from a failed state

Postby Cinque Mtume » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:30 pm

I get that you're trying to say that it's the Somalis who failed Somalia, but one can also claim that Somalia has failed the Somalis, which is why Somalis have been reinventing themselves in the last 2 decades of statelessness.

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Re: Somalia: Far from a failed state

Postby eliteSomali » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:31 pm

Cinque Mtume wrote:I get that you're trying to say that it's the Somalis who failed Somalia, but one can also claim that Somalia has failed the Somalis, which is why Somalis have been reinventing themselves in the last 2 decades of statelessness.

Yes I am saying Somalia did not fail us we failed somalia. How did Somalia fail us?

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Re: Somalia: Far from a failed state

Postby Alphanumeric » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:35 pm

eliteSomali wrote:
Cinque Mtume wrote:I get that you're trying to say that it's the Somalis who failed Somalia, but one can also claim that Somalia has failed the Somalis, which is why Somalis have been reinventing themselves in the last 2 decades of statelessness.

Yes I am saying Somalia did not fail us we failed somalia. How did Somalia fail us?


The State attempted to murder any opposition, it enforced rule on those who wished otherwise, it accepted manipulation from outside, it used tribal divisions as a means of progression, etc.

States most often do this. Somalis are better off stateless, if that is the only option.

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Re: Somalia: Far from a failed state

Postby eliteSomali » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:39 pm

Alphanumeric wrote:
eliteSomali wrote:
Cinque Mtume wrote:I get that you're trying to say that it's the Somalis who failed Somalia, but one can also claim that Somalia has failed the Somalis, which is why Somalis have been reinventing themselves in the last 2 decades of statelessness.

Yes I am saying Somalia did not fail us we failed somalia. How did Somalia fail us?


The State attempted to murder any opposition, it enforced rule on those who wished otherwise, it accepted manipulation from outside, it used tribal divisions as a means of progression, etc.

States most often do this. Somalis are better off stateless, if that is the only option.

For shizzle alpha. States or countries are nothing but pieces of lands. They can neither talk nor enforce shyt. It's the people who have done all that you mentioned which farther proves my point that we failed somalia but never the inverse. Differentiate between the two.

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Re: Somalia: Far from a failed state

Postby Alphanumeric » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:45 pm

No, the State is not the people. State is not land. It is an intangible entity; an idea.. no, an ideology.

How has what I said supported your comment? The State acted in accordance of selfpreservation. It did what it could to continue it's own existence. It collapsed in on itself, by stretching further than it could grab.

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Re: Somalia: Far from a failed state

Postby eliteSomali » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:48 pm

I knew you were going to say that. Then clearly we're not on the same page. It's just much better to say the people failed us rather than the country.

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Re: Somalia: Far from a failed state

Postby FAH1223 » Mon Feb 20, 2012 1:51 pm

Somalis suck at politics but they can make money.


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