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I don't hate Islam. I think Islam is a great religion when you look at its festivals, it's interesting history the culture, etc. But I do think politically Islam must be kept in control and regulated to ensure moderation and harmony. Sufi Islam is the best form of Islam, while the Salafi ideology you follow Mr. Shirib is a threat to civilized society

A lot of harm comes from not allowing religious schools. Kids won't learn the Quran, how to pray properly, the rules of fasting, etc.

There's nothing political about dugsi's but for some reason you don't want children to get a religious education when they are most primed for learning.

Kids learn how to pray and the basics of the qu'ran at home with their parents. They learn advanced qu'ran and Islamic aqeedah at the religious schools, and there is no problem with waiting until their teenage years for that. If they start going to a religious school at a very early age they will become prejudiced in favor of religious ideologies, and secular schools need not compete with that. Can you tell me how the Turkish school teachers will be able to tell a six year old that Mustafa Kemal Attaturk was the greatest man and the savior of Turkey if the duugsi teacher tells him/her that secularism is haram and sovereignty comes from Allah alone, and anybody who says otherwise will burn in hell for all eternity? The child will probably become terrified and out of fear become an Islamist. This scenario will be less likely if the child is a teenager, with a more mature mind. A mature teenage student will probably ignore the mullah and ask him if secularism is so bad, why is Turkey the jewel of the Muslim world while shabab Somalia and Taliban Afghanistan are in the toilet

just check out your dollars and see what it say @god bless America' how secural

God bless America, may he stand beside her and send her a light from above to guide her through the night

I don't hate Islam. I think Islam is a great religion when you look at its festivals, it's interesting history the culture, etc. But I do think politically Islam must be kept in control and regulated to ensure moderation and harmony. Sufi Islam is the best form of Islam, while the Salafi ideology you follow Mr. Shirib is a threat to civilized society

A lot of harm comes from not allowing religious schools. Kids won't learn the Quran, how to pray properly, the rules of fasting, etc.

There's nothing political about dugsi's but for some reason you don't want children to get a religious education when they are most primed for learning.

Kids learn how to pray and the basics of the qu'ran at home with their parents. They learn advanced qu'ran and Islamic aqeedah at the religious schools, and there is no problem with waiting until their teenage years for that. If they start going to a religious school at a very early age they will become prejudiced in favor of religious ideologies, and secular schools need not compete with that. Can you tell me how the Turkish school teachers will be able to tell a six year old that Mustafa Kemal Attaturk was the greatest man and the savior of Turkey if the duugsi teacher tells him/her that secularism is haram and sovereignty comes from Allah alone, and anybody who says otherwise will burn in hell for all eternity? The child will probably become terrified and out of fear become an Islamist. This scenario will be less likely if the child is a teenager, with a more mature mind. A mature teenage student will probably ignore the mullah and ask him if secularism is so bad, why is Turkey the jewel of the Muslim world while shabab Somalia and Taliban Afghanistan are in the toilet

you're fighting Islam at it's core, you can try to deny it all you want or try to blind yourself to reality, but your fight isn't with Shabaab and Taliban ideologies, it's with Islam itself.

You do one helluva job trying to appease people but it will end in vain, I guarantee you that much

Turkey + Sharia = Perfect society

I already live in a religion free society, the good ol' USA. The wise founders wrote the constitution to protect this country from the radical Christians, and it has turned out to be the greatest and most prosperous in the world. We need to have an establishment clause in the Somali constitution to replicate the good fortune

Who told you america is religion free
Because there is a separation of church and state doesn`t mean America is religion free

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness

"The wise founders wrote the constitution to protect this country from the radical Christians"

america never had problem with Christianity, America just didn`t want to pick a winner in the Christian schism

Remember when you in court you swear on the bible or quran is that religion free society
its separation between church and state and not sepraten between church and society

You don't swear on the bible when in court anymore, in fact it's now illegal even to have the ten commandments in court houses. The founders were mostly all deists and while it does mention a "creator" in the deceleration of independence there is no mention of God anywhere in the constitution. The fact the President swears in on the bible and the fact that our national motto is "In God We Trust" is quite harmless, they are relics of an old age where people used to cling to religion. The Supreme Court has been working diligently the past few decades to banish God from the public sphere, like the republicans are bemoaning, and I anticipate the next generation of Americans will continue that work until our freedoms are no longer under assault by the religious right.

With that said, America is still the best nation in the world to be a Muslim. Islam can be practiced freely and without limit on these shores, there are nearly 3000 mosques in the United States. Secularism is not a threat to religion, but religion is a threat to secularism.

Last year Erdogan's party destroyed the opposition in the election.
People dont like him?
Not a chance.

A lot of harm comes from not allowing religious schools. Kids won't learn the Quran, how to pray properly, the rules of fasting, etc.

There's nothing political about dugsi's but for some reason you don't want children to get a religious education when they are most primed for learning.

Kids learn how to pray and the basics of the qu'ran at home with their parents. They learn advanced qu'ran and Islamic aqeedah at the religious schools, and there is no problem with waiting until their teenage years for that. If they start going to a religious school at a very early age they will become prejudiced in favor of religious ideologies, and secular schools need not compete with that. Can you tell me how the Turkish school teachers will be able to tell a six year old that Mustafa Kemal Attaturk was the greatest man and the savior of Turkey if the duugsi teacher tells him/her that secularism is haram and sovereignty comes from Allah alone, and anybody who says otherwise will burn in hell for all eternity? The child will probably become terrified and out of fear become an Islamist. This scenario will be less likely if the child is a teenager, with a more mature mind. A mature teenage student will probably ignore the mullah and ask him if secularism is so bad, why is Turkey the jewel of the Muslim world while shabab Somalia and Taliban Afghanistan are in the toilet

you're fighting Islam at it's core, you can try to deny it all you want or try to blind yourself to reality, but your fight isn't with Shabaab and Taliban ideologies, it's with Islam itself.

You do one helluva job trying to appease people but it will end in vain, I guarantee you that much

I can't fight a religion from my living room my boy, unless you're saying my superior debating skills in promoting secularism are a veritable threat to Islam in which case you give me too much credit. If anybody is fighting Islam, it is probably these angry Turkish people protesting the edict by grand ayatollah Erodgan

Last year Erdogan's party destroyed the opposition in the election.
People dont like him?
Not a chance.

If his party is verified to be based on Islam and not secularism then they can be banned by the Turkish Constitutional Court.

Turkey + Sharia = Perfect society

The people of Iran have tasted shariah and now all the world can hear their desperate pleas for help

I think if God wants to punish a society he should make it a shariah state

Kids learn how to pray and the basics of the qu'ran at home with their parents. They learn advanced qu'ran and Islamic aqeedah at the religious schools, and there is no problem with waiting until their teenage years for that. If they start going to a religious school at a very early age they will become prejudiced in favor of religious ideologies, and secular schools need not compete with that. Can you tell me how the Turkish school teachers will be able to tell a six year old that Mustafa Kemal Attaturk was the greatest man and the savior of Turkey if the duugsi teacher tells him/her that secularism is haram and sovereignty comes from Allah alone, and anybody who says otherwise will burn in hell for all eternity? The child will probably become terrified and out of fear become an Islamist. This scenario will be less likely if the child is a teenager, with a more mature mind. A mature teenage student will probably ignore the mullah and ask him if secularism is so bad, why is Turkey the jewel of the Muslim world while shabab Somalia and Taliban Afghanistan are in the toilet

None of your assumptions have any basis. You dont even know the curriculum of Imam Hatip schools yet somehow you assumed they are similar to Taliban indoctrination camps.

Nonsense .

As we speak now tens of thousands of secular citizens are rioting in the streets throughout Turkey, demanding that parliament not lift the ban on Islamist schools. Erodgan better listen or he might find his house lit ablaze. The Turkish people are dogmatic about their secularism and anybody who dares question it will find himself in a most unfortunate circumstance.

union

You misread the American experience, America is not a exclusivist nation so do not project your secular exclusivism on America

Secularism and shababism are becoming clichés, their flame will soon or latter burn out out

It is evident Union is a gaal . The strongest muslim leader today is a terrorist according to him?

Viva Erdogan!

waxaan la yaaba kuwa doofaar kan moodaya inuu daahir yahay