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Re: What is the meaning of questioning the deen?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:49 am
by Hyperactive
there is things you learn as you grow,to let it rest as long doesnt effect the fundamental of your imaan. and learn there is things you may curious to know, but not that important for you or danger for you core believe/imaan. for instant until this day, every time i come cross the ayaat says the kufar,mushrekeen, munafiqeen etc they will be in hell for ever "khaaideen fiha.." i cannot help but to pause (mentally) and say to myself : they didnt live forever for that state why they would spend rest of their existence in hell fire!! why not do their time or whatever and just let them leave in shame or even erase them or forgive them!! or maybe it feels like forever when you in naar cause of the horror. some times i say to may self just wait until you get there and for sure you will know it. and that time you may ask the One who knows every thing Allah.
that is why is important to ask Allah to guide us even we dont know everything, and one should know their limits.
Re: What is the meaning of questioning the deen?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:07 am
by jalaaludin5
Wasn't this guy recently pretending to have left the fold of Islam? giggling and always cheerleading for that gay-atheist Union at every turn.
waryaa, we on to you and your crew.
Re: What is the meaning of questioning the deen?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:22 am
by Alphanumeric
there is things you learn as you grow,to let it rest as long doesnt effect the fundamental of your imaan. and learn there is things you may curious to know, but not that important for you or danger for you core believe/imaan. for instant until this day, every time i come cross the ayaat says the kufar,mushrekeen, munafiqeen etc they will be in hell for ever "khaaideen fiha.." i cannot help but to pause (mentally) and say to myself : they didnt live forever for that state why they would spend rest of their existence in hell fire!! why not do their time or whatever and just let them leave in shame or even erase them or forgive them!! or maybe it feels like forever when you in naar cause of the horror. some times i say to may self just wait until you get there and for sure you will know it. and that time you may ask the One who knows every thing Allah.
that is why is important to ask Allah to guide us even we dont know everything, and one should know their limits.
I've had similar questions, among others.
Re: What is the meaning of questioning the deen?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:36 am
by Hyperactive
i guess as we gain more experience in life and knowledge and wisdom, some of thing eventually, will make sense to us or wouldnt make different for us/wouldnt even matter at that stage in out lives.
Re: What is the meaning of questioning the deen?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:40 am
by Alphanumeric
No, I think unanswered questions will only have negative outcomes. Either an answer must be found if applicable/possible, or the question must be ignored.
Re: What is the meaning of questioning the deen?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:46 am
by Hyperactive
then it depend the kind of questions you dealing with. im not easiest one to be convinced in something but to me there is differences between unanswered things or answered thing but im not convinced the reasoning behind it. then i could go my way and check all the books in that specific thing. at least i have to know more to things than what i know about it. also i well know ive very little knowledge about almost everything and i know i havent learned enough to have judgement about things for whatever reasons. but im not that simple to just through everything all together and give up on them!
Re: What is the meaning of questioning the deen?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:48 am
by Alphanumeric
Yes, I agree. It requires a lot research before giving up is an option.
Re: What is the meaning of questioning the deen?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:59 am
by Hyperactive
well you learn as long you're alife.
also i believe there is times, only knowledge of things isnt enough. i wonder the reason Allah sent prophet mohammed to preach imman for 13 years before the a7kaam is: cause once one grasps good imaan in their hearts, it's easy for them to obey anything comes after that. so it was matter of getting their trust first? and is that message we need to do the same to people we deal with daily and family members the same way to gain their trust first before and thing else....
also every times i come cross this ayyah, despite what the mofaseriin say about it, i cannot help but to ask: why Allah didnt say here the knowledge here (3ilm) instead wisdom (7ikmah)? does wisdom comes after knowledge of things, or before? it has to be knowledge before you become a wise....?
يُؤْتِي الْحِكْمَةَ مَنْ يَشَاءُ وَمَنْ يُؤْتَ الْحِكْمَةَ فَقَدْ أُوتِيَ خَيْرًا كَثِيرًا وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلَّا أُولُو الْأَلْبَابِ
He granteth wisdom to whom He pleaseth; and he to whom wisdom is granted receiveth indeed a benefit overflowing; but none will grasp the Message but men of understanding.
Re: What is the meaning of questioning the deen?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:05 am
by Alphanumeric
Yes, it does seem that wisdom comes after knowledge.
But what happens when the questions aren't about the axkaam, but about issues of imaan? I think those are more difficult to answer.
Re: What is the meaning of questioning the deen?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:11 am
by Hyperactive
exactly, that's why imaan takes more to grasp than a7kaam alashya'a.
imaan is difficult things and i really do not understand and i dont know if i admire them or suspicious, envy the new converts!!!! for me it would took me life time to be convert to another religion once i dont believe any more islam (wa 3iyaathu billah). i would stop but i would become skeptical to any organized religion. i just believe takes really deep thinking one's self to convert to any religion if they didnt born with!!
Re: What is the meaning of questioning the deen?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:13 am
by Alphanumeric
I agree. My skepticism would be my downfall and might well be in the future.
Re: What is the meaning of questioning the deen?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:16 am
by Hyperactive
im very skiptical and that sometimes scares me. i need to distract myself all the time or i would be in bad state of mind. and my educational background and current education didnt help a bit.!
Re: What is the meaning of questioning the deen?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:17 am
by Alphanumeric
At times, blind faith seems very appealing.
Re: What is the meaning of questioning the deen?
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 11:20 am
by Hyperactive
it wouldnt help. at least my case i put my self hope that i will learn my way and i will reach one day that yaqeen!