Interesting read...

[waryaa]

The other problem is that aid agencies in Somalia provide free food, medicine, etc which corrupted communities and families alike. For instance, a hotel employee in Mogadishu told me his wife gets more free money from the Turks than his monthly salary, making her financially independent without working. Mogadishu is now filled with former farmers who say why work when you can get free food.

Turkish aid agencies joined the fray and are spending millions and millions of dollars on free food and cash for the poor. With good intentions, they could invest that money in projects that create employment and local economies. TFG officials are happy with the status quo. A good number of internally displaced people (IPDs) actually displaced themselves and chose to run after free stuff than farming which is labor intensive task. Aid agencies changed Somalia's landscape forever.

And yes, most land cruisers in Somalia too either belong to NGO owners/employees or are rented by them. Easy money. In Mogadishu and other cities, NGO offices outnumber pharmacies and schools by many folds.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

^^^^Ninyahow stop embarrassing us. I don't owe britain sh!t and if they think they can exploit the misery of the somali people they can go fck themselves repeatedly with their tea and crumpets. Same goes for any foreigner whether american, kenyan, ethiopian, french, chinese etc.

[SahanGalbeed]

^^^^Ninyahow stop embarrassing us. I don't owe britain sh!t and if they think they can exploit the misery of the somali people they can go fck themselves repeatedly with their tea and crumpets. Same goes for any foreigner whether american, kenyan, ethiopian, french, chinese etc.

I think you're a little too emotional to be taken serioulsy .
Somalia needs help . You cannot do anything by yourself , you don't even live there , okay ?
Although I welcome everybody's opinion like I said , let's be serious here . Too important to fuc,k it up !

[Lamagoodle]

Lamogodle:

Nah, brother. I predict we just need firm leadership and a consolidation of power Once we get a God Fearing Karbasher in Chief who will karbash everyone including me and get us to the straight and narrow.

With peace, security and stability, Somalia will prosper.

Abdiwahab, yes leadership is important. But, there is path dependency which has resulted in a moral decay . The issue of aid is actually a problem in the developing countries. Latin America and Asia have caught up with old industrialised countries. The problem today (and believe me because I know what I am talking about) is this;

- There are some mechanisms in place in developed countries to help countries take off.
-There are some organisations and individuals who are driven by a need to make a difference ; humanism

good causes


But there are also
a) Aid entrepreneurs in donor countries who use the positive side of aid to make a career or enrich themselves. I have read studies that show that only 1% reaches the poor in Africa
b) Alot of aid is bilateral i.e. between states to help with budgets, infrastructure; read the coffers of dictators
c) Some nations wants a piece of the cake by selling their produce to aid agencies. The EU and USA's agriculture policy is an example


I agree with Waryaa's analysis. It is hampering development and the political process.

Alot of the af minshaars- parasites- who lived on welfare are back in Somalia to get a piece of the cake.

Yes, one could argue that this is a human trait but this is more than so.


Aid is fuelling wars. It has become a resource.. and it makes people lazy.

[Lamagoodle]

The other problem is that aid agencies in Somalia provide free food, medicine, etc which corrupted communities and families alike. For instance, a hotel employee in Mogadishu told me his wife gets more free money from the Turks than his monthly salary, making her financially independent without working. Mogadishu is now filled with former farmers who say why work when you can get free food.

Turkish aid agencies joined the fray and are spending millions and millions of dollars on free food and cash for the poor. With good intentions, they could invest that money in projects that create employment and local economies. TFG officials are happy with the status quo. A good number of internally displaced people (IPDs) actually displaced themselves and chose to run after free stuff than farming which is labor intensive task. Aid agencies changed Somalia's landscape forever.

And yes, most land cruisers in Somalia too either belong to NGO owners/employees or are rented by them. Easy money. In Mogadishu and other cities, NGO offices outnumber pharmacies and schools in many folds.

Yes. In Nairobi there is this part of town called "aid" city. We shall not have a viable state and a government that is transparent unless the flow of aid money is cut. That is my conclusion.

[SahanGalbeed]

This is what I think. In Africa when the donor countries hand the money to the local govs , corrupt officials pocket that money.If the white man does it himself , he is accused of neo -colonialism .
Aid money can be either a help or a problem . In Somalia , we're trying to do a lot of things in short amount of time .
Ideally a democracy should flourish first , gradually build solid institutions { or a sense of shared responsibility} before any outside money would come in , but we don't have that luxury here .

I was watching a program on this the other day , interesting .
http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h1586.html

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

^^^^Ninyahow stop embarrassing us. I don't owe britain sh!t and if they think they can exploit the misery of the somali people they can go fck themselves repeatedly with their tea and crumpets. Same goes for any foreigner whether american, kenyan, ethiopian, french, chinese etc.

I think you're a little too emotional to be taken serioulsy .
Somalia needs help . You cannot do anything by yourself , you don't even live there , okay ?
Although I welcome everybody's opinion like I said , let's be serious here . Too important to fuc,k it up !

That's what they make you think. If I'm being emotional, you're being delusional. Also, I'm not the one basing his countries policies on his own personal sentimentality towards former colonial masters. Somalia is a problem for the somalis, it might take another 5 years to sort the mess out or it might take 50 - lakiin only somalis can provide solutions to their issues. The reason this war has dragged out so long is mainly to do with foreign interference anyway. No amount of foreign "donations" or conferences will help you if there is no clear winner and power able to establish the rule of law. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink, similrly you can have as many reconciliation conferences and foreign Aid/NGOs etc. but that is not gonna make an al-shabab fighter put down his gun or make the population take the TFG seriously.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

The other problem is that aid agencies in Somalia provide free food, medicine, etc which corrupted communities and families alike. For instance, a hotel employee in Mogadishu told me his wife gets more free money from the Turks than his monthly salary, making her financially independent without working. Mogadishu is now filled with former farmers who say why work when you can get free food.

Turkish aid agencies joined the fray and are spending millions and millions of dollars on free food and cash for the poor. With good intentions, they could invest that money in projects that create employment and local economies. TFG officials are happy with the status quo. A good number of internally displaced people (IPDs) actually displaced themselves and chose to run after free stuff than farming which is labor intensive task. Aid agencies changed Somalia's landscape forever.

And yes, most land cruisers in Somalia too either belong to NGO owners/employees or are rented by them. Easy money. In Mogadishu and other cities, NGO offices outnumber pharmacies and schools in many folds.

Yes. In Nairobi there is this part of town called "aid" city. We shall not have a viable state and a government that is transparent unless the flow of aid money is cut. That is my conclusion.

Common sense.

You give a man (especially one as lazy as an african) $100 a week he will do absolutely nothing except spend the money. You don't give him money, but provide jobs and stable economy and he will be forced to work for his earnings. It applies on a macro-economic level as well with nations.

[SahanGalbeed]

Somalia is a problem for the somalis, it might take another 5 years to sort the mess out or it might take 50 - lakiin only somalis can provide solutions to their issues.

First of all , you in England can prolly wait another 50 years , you as an Issaq can prolly wait another 50 years ,I don't think however the kids that are being blown up in Mog or southern Somalia would have the same patience .

The international community brings , an economical leverage and the appearance of not being biased towards this tribe or that tribe . You obviously not gonna subdue anyone by force , take it easy here okay ?
I appreciate your opinion but it is not serious .

[Lamagoodle]

SahanGalbeed,
You have a valid point when you assert that AID money is needed to kick-start development. But, even though that was the aim initially in the 1950s, things have changed. It has become an instrument of "guilt" cleansing.

Aid and resources have always gone hand in hand my friend.

There is a whole industry in the industrialised world. It is a big part of GDP growth in developed countries because alot of the money goes back to the coffers of the donor countries.
Read this: http://www.american.edu/sis/faculty/upl ... Africa.pdf
http://www.american.edu/sis/faculty/upl ... Africa.pdf
http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 ... 2000096823


These are just some examples. I have read hundreds of studies that show the downside

[SahanGalbeed]

SahanGalbeed,
You have a valid point when you assert that AID money is needed to kick-start development. But, even though that was the aim initially in the 1950s, things have changed. It has become an instrument of "guilt" cleansing.

Aid and resources have always gone hand in hand my friend.

There is a whole industry in the industrialised world. It is a big part of GDP growth in developed countries because alot of the money goes back to the coffers of the donor countries.

There is a Somali proverb that says

kolba sidii loo jabo ayaa loo dhutiya .

We're not there yet my friend .
We're not India okay , let's be serious here

[Lamagoodle]

SahanGalbeed,
You have a valid point when you assert that AID money is needed to kick-start development. But, even though that was the aim initially in the 1950s, things have changed. It has become an instrument of "guilt" cleansing.

Aid and resources have always gone hand in hand my friend.

There is a whole industry in the industrialised world. It is a big part of GDP growth in developed countries because alot of the money goes back to the coffers of the donor countries.

There is a Somali proverb that says

kolba sidii loo jabo ayaa loo dhutiya .

We're not there yet my friend .
We're not India okay , let's be serious here

India is perhaps not a good example. Have you been to Latin America saaxib? This continent provides a good example.

Aid has become the new colonial tool saaxib.

We are almost there if we protect our agricultural sector and if we tax our people

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Somalia is a problem for the somalis, it might take another 5 years to sort the mess out or it might take 50 - lakiin only somalis can provide solutions to their issues.

First of all , you in England can prolly wait another 50 years , you as an Issaq can prolly wait another 50 years ,I don't think however the kids that are being blown up would have the same patience .

The international community brings , an economical leverage and the appearance of not being biased towards this tribe or that tribe . You obviously not gonna subdue anyone by force .
I appreciate your opinion but it is not serious .

What's that got to do with anything? To me an Isaaq that get's killed is the same as a Hawiya, Darood, dir etc. I feel as much sadness and disappointment regardless of where in Somali the violence is. At the end of the day, Somalis are my people not just my clansmen. Also, I fail to see how me living in the UK has anything to do with the urgnecy of the situation. I'm not the usual useless qurbajoog who plans on being a refugee indefinitely. I plan to go back and help my people after me studies, even if that means fighting. I don't pay lip service, or attend independence celebrations, or have a Somalia flag on my bedroom wall or worship a particular warlord like the worthless hypocrites the majority of the diaspora are, I am a man of action and that is what it will take to fix the country. The "international community", whatever that is, looks after their own interest which don't necessarily align with interests of the Somali people. It's astonishing how naive you are walahi.

[original dervish]

the issaqs in somalia, like all the other somalis, have nothing.
they`re fleeing the country in they`re thousands, through deserts and across the seas.

dont let the secessionists in the west fool you into thinking sl is milk and honey.
they need a stable south as much as everybody else.

50 years....what a joker

[SahanGalbeed]

, okay abdi

{1}What's that got to do with anything? To me an Isaaq that get's killed is the same as a Hawiya, Darood, dir etc. I feel as much sadness and disappointment regardless of where in Somali the violence is. At the end of the day, {2}Somalis are my people not just my clansmen. Also, I fail to see how me living in the UK has anything to do with the urgnecy of the situation. I'm not the usual useless qurbajoog who plans on being a refugee indefinitely. I plan to go back and help my people after me studies, {3} even if that means fighting. I don't pay lip service, or attend independence celebrations, or have a Somalia flag on my bedroom wall or worship a particular warlord like the worthless hypocrites the majority of the diaspora are, I am a man of action and that is what it will take to fix the country.

1/ Sense of urgency , we don't have another 50 yrs .
2/We are ALL Somalis here , however we're faced with division among ourselves . That division is tribal .
3/ That's going backwards , not forward.


One needs a CLEAR picture of the end goal first. Then you backtrack from there all the way to you .
a/ where do you stand
b/ what ressources you need.
c/flexibility./adaptibility{ not always getting what you want when you want it }