56 Islamic States Reject UN Debate on Anti-Gay Violence

[wolverine]

They create the hatred that undermines their existence. However, they'll still be a threat, but hopefully they will not reach the strength they had before.

Over the past several years, many people have claimed year after year al-Shabaab are finished and soon to disappear. What's your prediction?

I have a hard time imagining their survival like the taliban or other groups similar to them. They may continue with a few suicide attacks by young minds poisoned by their ideology.

[blackstars25]

First my morality is something I've formed after critical thinking and is informed by reason and values that happen to be in tune with the culture I live in. I happen to believe in science, and the general view in modern science is that sexuality is something a person is born with. The determining factors are mostly genetics and hormones.

Also I've seen gay people in the west passionately defending Islam and muslims several times. I worry about somalis and muslims not understanding how their rights are connected to rights they may consider offensive. Understanding the interconnectedness of these rights are so important ... if only you could understand what I mean.

Enyclopedia Britannica on homosexaulity and biology:

No simple, single cause for sexual orientation has been conclusively demonstrated. Various studies point to different, even conflicting positions, such as a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences,[1] with biological factors involving a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment,[2] or no genetic influence.

Please don't distort science for your own sick personal appeasement.

I just keep hearing "homosexuality is innate", "'god created me like this" etc etc but people like you ignore/dismiss the glaring fact that there has never been any scientific basis to support your preposterous claims.

[wolverine]

Please don't distort science for your own sick personal appeasement.

I just keep hearing "homosexuality is innate", "'god created me like this" etc etc but people like you ignore/dismiss the glaring fact that there has never been any scientific basis to support preposterous claims.

Read my post again.

I happen to believe in science, and the general view in modern science is that sexuality is something a person is born with. The determining factors are mostly genetics and hormones.

[jalaaludin5]

I happen to believe in science, and the general view in modern science is that sexuality is something a person is born with. The determining factors are mostly genetics and hormones.

And i happen to believe in Allah! I believe in all his prophets especially the last of them all Mohamed (saw), The Glorious Qur'an and the Sunna of our beloved prophet. I do not believe in the false notion that homosexuality is something you are born with.

if only you could understand what I mean

How can i, when clearly you trying to defend everything that goes against the grain of my faith.

[blackstars25]

Read my post again.

I happen to believe in science, and the general view in modern science is that sexuality is something a person is born with. The determining factors are mostly genetics and hormones.

That isn't even true, there's nothing to support even that. If you gay just come out, I'll understand. Because what you saying sounds like someone who is trying to convince him/herself that being gay is okay and "natural".

[fighter]

The Universal Decleration of Human Rights is not legally binding nor is anything that useless organization ever passes or creates. No country is forced to follow it. Countries that signed it in the past are not required to follow it. Case in point: Pakistan (a signatory of the Universal Decleration of Human Rights).

So it really doesn't matter.

Source?

Source for what? That no country is obligated by law to follow and enforce any piece of document passed by the UN?

It has no legitimacy. We get our laws and rules from our countries. Not the UN.

The UDHR is just a guide for countries and people to follow. It's how the UN wishes the world to be. The only success that the UDHR got was that a few countries used it to write their own contitutions.

[wolverine]

blackstar25
Read the brittanica quote you put in

No simple, single cause for sexual orientation has been conclusively demonstrated. Various studies point to different, even conflicting positions, such as a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental influences,[1] with biological factors involving a complex interplay of genetic factors and the early uterine environment,[2] or no genetic influence.

It says that its not a single cause and these causes are a mix of genetic, hormonal and enviroment which specifically refers to uterine enviroment, which a person has no control over.

That isn't even true, there's nothing to support even that. If you gay just come out, I'll understand. Because what you saying sounds like someone who is trying to convince him/herself that being gay is okay and "natural".

First and foremost you're quote proves the point that its beyond control of the gay person.

Secondly most people that holds my values on this are heterosexual. In the same way that most people in the west who consider muslims having the same rights as any others are not muslim.

[Shirib]

why do they ban incest yet try to push homosexuality down our throats. hypocrisy

[wolverine]

why do they ban incest yet try to push homosexuality down our throats. hypocrisy

Here is one answer
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_an ... cer.2.html

I would not be suprised if one was innately offensive and the other depending on culture for all or almost all cases.

Also I would like to ask you, why are some muslim countries allowing the marriage of children at the age of 9 year old (or maybe younger) and adults, and at the same time killing gay people?

[blackstars25]

wolverine, are you muslim?

[wolverine]

I am a deist.

[Samatr]

I am a deist.

that means wolverine is afraid of Brutus the Buckeye.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Why? Am not asking for anyone to be hanged in the west for sodomizing each other.

But other countries reserve the right to do as they will with filthy fagots. Muslim countries should never accept the idea of treating sodomite with kids gloves.

We will respect their laws but they should also respect others.

I suggested that you move to a country which reflects you're values, because I thought it was a good suggestion. You're values reflect a system of values that would lead to a moral decay from a liberal value system perspective and would also lead to poverty and lack of scientific progress.

Muslims didn't have a say nor took park in writing the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Why should anyone respect it, especially if it conflicts with the teachings of his/her faith?

Almost all of them signed it. They chose to sign treaties and not follow them, their opinion is worthless if they even won't follow treaties which they have signed.

The UN treaties were written by Christians during the colonial era. Why are Muslims supposed to respect it? The OIC has its own treaties; why shouldn't Christians respect it?

Again most of these countries signed alot of these treaties, almost all of them signed the Universal Declaration of Human Rights?

What an idiot. Homosexuality isn't a human right, it's a human wrong. You're probably one of those loser, self-hating africans who think everything good and progressive is to copy white people.

[wolverine]

What an idiot. Homosexuality isn't a human right, it's a human wrong. You're probably one of those loser, self-hating africans who think everything good and progressive is to copy white people.

What should you think morality should be based on?

I actually believe that Somalis sense of being African should be strengthened, we are indeed African and should be proud of it. We have the most beautiful land and great potential of achieving anything that any other country can achieve.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

What an idiot. Homosexuality isn't a human right, it's a human wrong. You're probably one of those loser, self-hating africans who think everything good and progressive is to copy white people.

What should you think morality should be based on?

I actually believe that Somalis sense of being African should be strengthened, we are indeed African and should be proud of it. We have the most beautiful land and great potential of achieving anything that any other country can achieve.

What has that to do with the issue at hand?

I am a muslim and somalia is a country populated by mostly muslims. Therefore, as a muslim my moral code is defined by the Qur'an and the Sunnah of Muhammad SAWS. I don't need some gaal who doesn't even clean his arse telling me what is right and what is wrong. I have the best of creation as an example.