Sufisim is not a sect

[Enlightened~Sista]

There is no such thing as Salafis today. The only "Salafs" were those who were the direct followers and were the companions of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Those original companions and followers had the prophet (pbuh) himself for guidance. These present day Salafis, who do they have today? They have no one. They interpret things the way they see fit. They are angry people who call anyone they disagree with a kafir.

People should only be taking their information from the Quran and the "very strong" hadiths. No one else with their own interpretations.

You're usually a smart guy that offers intelligent conversation.

I think in this case he's much smarter than you, no offense. Sidaada kale, you're a very intelligent guy except for your trysting with Salafiyya

[Alphanumeric]

There is no such thing as Salafis today. The only "Salafs" were those who were the direct followers and were the companions of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Those original companions and followers had the prophet (pbuh) himself for guidance. These present day Salafis, who do they have today? They have no one. They interpret things the way they see fit. They are angry people who call anyone they disagree with a kafir.

People should only be taking their information from the Quran and the "very strong" hadiths. No one else with their own interpretations.

You're usually a smart guy that offers intelligent conversation.

I think in this case he's much smarter than you, no offense. Sidaada kale, you're a very intelligent guy except for your trysting with Salafiyya

Hmm.

[SultanOrder]

It's obvious insecurities that lead people to bash others. The accepted habit of insulting Salafis on this site is a laugh.

It is wrong to say that sufi's are a sect as they have no specific fiqh or madhab but either follow the madhabs of the four orthodox schools of Sunni's (Shafi, Malaki, Hanbali, Hanafi), nor do they have a particular aqida but follow one of the two Orthodox Sunni's (Ashari, Maturudi). Now there are different schools of Sufism known as tariqas (Ba'alawi, Qadariyya, Salaxiya, Naqshibandi, Shadhili, Tijani etc), but that does not signify any change in the muslims Islamic Sharia or Aqida.

So how can they be conisdered a new sect or a particular sect other than Sunni?

So, what are the differences between these groups if they all believe the same things. Do tell.

In reality they all share a common silsilad (chain) of transmission, where they meet up sooner or later in this chain of Shaykhs or Masters in those particular Tariqas. Their differences are methodological but not theology or jurisprudence.

Do Naqshabandis believe in the Qadr of Allah?

What would cause you think otherwise?

[Alphanumeric]

I don't think otherwise. My point is, Qadariyya don't, according to my knowledge. There are also other differences in belief among the Sufi tariqahs.

[SultanOrder]

There is no such thing as Salafis today. The only "Salafs" were those who were the direct followers and were the companions of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Those original companions and followers had the prophet (pbuh) himself for guidance. These present day Salafis, who do they have today? They have no one. They interpret things the way they see fit. They are angry people who call anyone they disagree with a kafir.

People should only be taking their information from the Quran and the "very strong" hadiths. No one else with their own interpretations.

You're usually a smart guy that offers intelligent conversation.

I think in this case he's much smarter than you, no offense. Sidaada kale, you're a very intelligent guy except for your trysting with Salafiyya

Enlighted I have some disagreements with fighters broad generalization of Salafis. And his understanding that "people should only be taking their information from the Quran and the "very strong" hadiths. No one else with their own interpretations." As this is similarly the same stance that Salafi's often advocate. So Fighter unwarringly took a very "salafi positon". A bit of Irony.

[fighter]

There is no such thing as Salafis today. The only "Salafs" were those who were the direct followers and were the companions of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh). Those original companions and followers had the prophet (pbuh) himself for guidance. These present day Salafis, who do they have today? They have no one. They interpret things the way they see fit. They are angry people who call anyone they disagree with a kafir.

People should only be taking their information from the Quran and the "very strong" hadiths. No one else with their own interpretations.

You're usually a smart guy that offers intelligent conversation.

I think in this case he's much smarter than you, no offense. Sidaada kale, you're a very intelligent guy except for your trysting with Salafiyya

When it comes to issues and concerns that were not clear, those original companions and followers went to the nabi (pbuh) for advice and information. Today, when it comes to issues and concerns that are not clear, these Salafis agree to one thing and then say "this way or the highway and you are a kafir if you don't agree". They don't have the prophet (pbuh) to give them the correct information. Who do they have? I am not saying they are 100% wrong but they are in no position to make their own new rules and then say those who don't follow us are kafir

We have sent down to thee the Book explaining all things, a Guide, a Mercy, and Glad Tidings to Muslims.

Holy Quran, 16:89

[fighter]

PO,

I object to present day Salafis just as much as any other groups.

[SultanOrder]

I don't think otherwise. My point is, Qadariyya don't, according to my knowledge. There are also other differences in belief among the Sufi tariqahs.

All Suni's believe in Qadr of Allah, especially Sufi's. I think you are confusing them with a sect other than Ahlul Sunnah.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qadariyya

[Alphanumeric]

I don't think otherwise. My point is, Qadariyya don't, according to my knowledge. There are also other differences in belief among the Sufi tariqahs.

All Suni's believe in Qadr of Allah, especially Sufi's. I think you are confusing them with a sect other than Ahlul Sunnah.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qadariyya

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qadariyah

I see. I didn't connect it with "Abdulqadir". That was the first thing that popped into my head.

[sadeboi]

PO, do you consider Salafis, Wahabis and co. to be a part of Ahlu Sunnah?

[SultanOrder]

Simple confusion since it is the same word, but one is a sect, and the other is the sufi tariqa. You should look at the Sufi tariqa silsila's and it will show how they are related. But think of Sufi tariqa's as a qabil, and those qabils branch out and become known as sub qabils and those subqabils have names and then they have sub qabils. But Most Sufi tariqas meet up into a common Shaykh.

[Alphanumeric]

I'm more interested in differing beliefs. What makes them differ, if not beliefs?

It's been some time since I've cracked open a book.

[SultanOrder]

I'm more interested in differing beliefs. What makes them differ, if not beliefs?

It's been some time since I've cracked open a book.

Methodology. They all have the same end but differing means to get to that end. It's just how they train the disciple (murid) in order to make him the best possible muslim. Some might emphasize retreat (khalwa) like the khalwatis mainly in egypt, while others empasize group dhikr like Naqshibadi's,etc.

[KingMJ]

Wait so do you guys actually have specific sects? So if someone asks you would say I'm "sufi" or I'm "salafi"??

[Adali]

~Sufis follow Ahmediya madhab and some follow Shafici madhab to the letter. But if you are a Sufi 100% not Hanafi or Malaki that is for sure. But Sufi is a sect just like Salafi is a sect.