Sufisim is not a sect

[Adali]

Wait so do you guys actually have specific sects? So if someone asks you would say I'm "sufi" or I'm "salafi"??

whether you know the madhab you adhere most to or not it makes no difference, you will adhere to one more than the other as your dugsi teacher or your iiman adheres to one, students are less strict, and good teachers take from all madhabs. The thing is the creators of these madhabs were students of each other and took from each others knowledge, we should do the same, but unless you have this super teacher who knows it all you should adhere to one of them and what else is agreed upon until you can yourself decide.

my school teacher was a Shafici.

[KingMJ]

Wait so do you guys actually have specific sects? So if someone asks you would say I'm "sufi" or I'm "salafi"??

whether you know the madhab you adhere most to or not it makes no difference, you will adhere to one more than the other as your dugsi teacher or your iiman adheres to one, students are less strict, and good teachers take from all madhabs. The thing is the creators of these madhabs were students of each other and took from each others knowledge, we should do the same, but unless you have this super teacher who knows it all you should adhere to one of them and what else is agreed upon until you can yourself decide.

my school teacher was a Shafici.

Word for word I agree with this and my teacher was also Shafici, but I also adhere to more than one and don't just claim to follow only one madhab.

So what about these people who say they are sufi, salafi etc etc..What made them just stick to this specific label, how did this come about?

[SultanOrder]

KingMj just go back to the beginning and you will get your questions answered.

~Sufis follow Ahmediya madhab and some follow Shafici madhab to the letter. But if you are a Sufi 100% not Hanafi or Malaki that is for sure. But Sufi is a sect just like Salafi is a sect.

You don't make any sense at all bro.

[Talo alle udaa]

Walaal PO, The name Sufism is claimed by a diverse group of "Tariqas" with diverse group of activities. So to generalize it the way you have is over simplifying. Some Sufis believe that the world is governed by fixed number of "awliya" in each region, every time a believer makes a dua, it has to go through these "great men" who filter and decide what supplications reach Allah. Some Sufis recite books full of shirk, they ascribe various titles to their Sheikhs such as "Qawth al aclam" which means "the Big Helper" in reference to Sh. Jaylaani. You also have more moderate ones that pursue certain questionable activities to "purify" themselves.

[Arabmann]

Walaal PO, The name Sufism is claimed by a diverse group of "Tariqas" with diverse group of activities. So to generalize it the way you have is over simplifying. Some Sufis believe that the world is governed by fixed number of "awliya" in each region, every time a believer makes a dua, it has to go through these "great men" who filter and decide what supplications reach Allah. Some Sufis recite books full of shirk, they ascribe various titles to their Sheikhs such as "Qawth al aclam" which means "the Big Helper" in reference to Sh. Jaylaani. You also have more moderate ones that pursue certain questionable activities to "purify" themselves.

What about those who ascribe supernatural abilities to the "awliya"?

[Rightwing]

Simple confusion since it is the same word, but one is a sect, and the other is the sufi tariqa. You should look at the Sufi tariqa silsila's and it will show how they are related. But think of Sufi tariqa's as a qabil, and those qabils branch out and become known as sub qabils and those subqabils have names and then they have sub qabils. But Most Sufi tariqas meet up into a common Shaykh.

Waa caynkaas runtu

[Somaliman50]

the tassawuf of yesteryear is incomparable to the plonkers that run around today with the sufi badge. sufism came about from men known to have zuhd and birr, not magical and spiritual powers that defy human abilities there is no way you're telling me those naqshabandis who take fazaail amaal as their hujja are part of ahl sunnah

[SultanOrder]

Walaal PO, The name Sufism is claimed by a diverse group of "Tariqas" with diverse group of activities. So to generalize it the way you have is over simplifying. Some Sufis believe that the world is governed by fixed number of "awliya" in each region, every time a believer makes a dua, it has to go through these "great men" who filter and decide what supplications reach Allah. Some Sufis recite books full of shirk, they ascribe various titles to their Sheikhs such as "Qawth al aclam" which means "the Big Helper" in reference to Sh. Jaylaani. You also have more moderate ones that pursue certain questionable activities to "purify" themselves.

I believe your referring to the "abdal", I don't know very much about them, so I don't want to go into such details.

the tassawuf of yesteryear is incomparable to the plonkers that run around today with the sufi badge. sufism came about from men known to have zuhd and birr, not magical and spiritual powers that defy human abilities there is no way you're telling me those naqshabandis who take fazaail amaal as their hujja are part of ahl sunnah

Not exactly sure what your talking about and what your attacking. If you are attacking "miracles" caused through certain people by Allah, I believe this to be possible. I don't know what "fazaail amaal" is either.

[ZubeirAwal]

Abubakr ibn Subeer As-Sufi will answer the mistaken ones in this topic.

Me being a sufi, i very much live my life as a sunni muslim who follows the shafaci madhab, same for my father who also is a sufi, and my grandfather, and my great grandfather and it goes on.

Sufism is something private, like a bonding with your lord, constant thought of Allah in the mind and his prophet, constantly saying "la ilaha ilala" in the toungue, daily reciting allahu akbar 1000 or 10,000 times, reciting on thursdays and fridays and mondays allahumma shalli ala sayyidina muhammad wa ala ali sayyidina muhammad wa salim, all these are spritual practices in closing in the gaps.


Sufism was mainstream Islam in the 600-1400 ERA, Imam Shafi'i, the madhab all somalis follow, was a sufi himself.

Ignorant peoples act like Sufi's and Sunnis are 2 different things, when in reality, Sufi's are a sub-sect of Sunni, they follow and believe in the 4 Authentic books of Hadith.

The only things that seperate them from the Mainstream-Salafi-Sunnis today are there original orthodox practices such as:
Visiting tombs of the pious
Requesting the prophet to intercede for them and to ask allah to forgive them.
Showing happines and enjoyment in the day the prophet was born
Daily meditation and dhikr of "ALLAH" and such.


Sufism are what you can call the "strangers" of islam today, as the prophet said " The Prophet () said: "Islam began as a stranger and shall return as a stranger as it began. So give glad tidings to the strangers", these strangers are none other then peaceful and bright Sufi's.


Alhamdulilah that i can see the differences and see that Sufism is one of the most best, resourceful, succesful Islamic schools, i follow the tariqah of Imam Shahdilli, who founded the epynomous Shadilli tariqah, born in 1196.

Here is a great yemeni sheikh who is a sharif (descendant of the prophet) and also a sufi
Listen to what he says. And how he says it, the essence is in his face.

[samatar133]

they are all confused people with minor differences but i prefer Suufi flowers to Salafis aka Wahaabis. Sufis tend to be more peacefull and most of the time they dont bother other people's affairs but they are the most superstitious group though. They beleive all kind of stuff, for example, a typical sufi would want you believe their leader sheikh have mystical powers to perform Cassar prayer in Hargiesa, Maqrib is Kacba suadi arabia and Cishaa prayer in the UK in the same day .
I dont like those who call themselfs Salafis because they are very judgemental and they could be extemely violent. Salafi and Wahabi are the same thing, the original Salafism aka Salafi Jihaadi mutated into Alqacida/Alshabaab type of violent ideologies and they are no longer supported or encouraged by Saudis. Now and days the brand of Salafism that is encouraged by the Saudis is what they call Sallafi Jadiid which is a paciffist ideology freidly to Saudi kings' monopoly on power an wealth. The problem with this group is they are an ardent Takfiris. They believe that they are the only ones going to Janah and everyone else is going to hell. Wakhti haysaga lumina dadkan ayaan idin odhan lahaa, sababtoo ah waxba isma dhaamaan dhamaantood.

[Arabmann]

Here is a great yemeni sheikh who is a sharif (descendant of the prophet) and also a sufi

Abokor, why do Sufis kiss the hand of a sharif?

[Adali]

why does sectarian Islam generate so much useless discussions, wax kama fahmayo haba yaraatee, and thank God I do not have any interest in such matters, ilahay ma iga dhigin kuwa qaarkood oo marna Salafi, marna Suufi marna diinta ka baxaya, acudubilah.

[gurey25]

Abubakr ibn Subeer As-Sufi will answer the mistaken ones in this topic.

Me being a sufi, i very much live my life as a sunni muslim who follows the shafaci madhab, same for my father who also is a sufi, and my grandfather, and my great grandfather and it goes on.

Sufism is something private, like a bonding with your lord, constant thought of Allah in the mind and his prophet, constantly saying "la ilaha ilala" in the toungue, daily reciting allahu akbar 1000 or 10,000 times, reciting on thursdays and fridays and mondays allahumma shalli ala sayyidina muhammad wa ala ali sayyidina muhammad wa salim, all these are spritual practices in closing in the gaps.


Sufism was mainstream Islam in the 600-1400 ERA, Imam Shafi'i, the madhab all somalis follow, was a sufi himself.

Ignorant peoples act like Sufi's and Sunnis are 2 different things, when in reality, Sufi's are a sub-sect of Sunni, they follow and believe in the 4 Authentic books of Hadith.

The only things that seperate them from the Mainstream-Salafi-Sunnis today are there original orthodox practices such as:
Visiting tombs of the pious
Requesting the prophet to intercede for them and to ask allah to forgive them.
Showing happines and enjoyment in the day the prophet was born
Daily meditation and dhikr of "ALLAH" and such.


Sufism are what you can call the "strangers" of islam today, as the prophet said " The Prophet () said: "Islam began as a stranger and shall return as a stranger as it began. So give glad tidings to the strangers", these strangers are none other then peaceful and bright Sufi's.


Alhamdulilah that i can see the differences and see that Sufism is one of the most best, resourceful, succesful Islamic schools, i follow the tariqah of Imam Shahdilli, who founded the epynomous Shadilli tariqah, born in 1196.

Here is a great yemeni sheikh who is a sharif (descendant of the prophet) and also a sufi
Listen to what he says. And how he says it, the essence is in his face.

interesting most somalis are qadiriya .
i find it interesting that the shadilli in yemen follow the shafici madhab, while the darqawi and alawi follow the malaki madhab.

is your father also shadili?

[SultanOrder]

interesting most somalis are qadiriya .
i find it interesting that the shadilli in yemen follow the shafici madhab, while the darqawi and alawi follow the malaki madhab.

is your father also shadili?

Gurey, That shaykh is Ba'alawi tariqa which is it's own branch that descends from Shaykh Abdal-Qadr al Jaylani, and has a chain that is also through their paternal shariff line which wasn't a systematic form, the systematic tariqa was estabilished after contact from the Qadariyaa tariqa.

Their is no prequiste of a certain madhab to follow a tariqa, but it is more based on your geography. The Darqawi and the off shoot Alawai tariqa are centered first in Morrocco than Algeria and most of northern and western Africa is Malaki, Whhile Yemen, Somalia, Southeast Asia are mostly Shafia so any tariqas based in those regions are going to be what the people are already following. Now if you were to join Darqawi you wouldn't have to change your madhab.

[ZubeirAwal]

Here is a great yemeni sheikh who is a sharif (descendant of the prophet) and also a sufi

Abokor, why do Sufis kiss the hand of a sharif?

Sharif's carry the blood of the single most greatest creation in universal if not complete history, the blood of a man who was more important to Allah and loved more then anything.

Sharif's go through alot of tribulations, back in the past in the 700's they used to give tax's to the sharif in hijaz just to make sure they are doing ok, they have a stronger and better understanding of the qur'an and sunnah and have an insight, thats if they try to , some sharif's today don't bother and they end up like a normal average muslim, but if they put effort in trying to gain knowledge they will gain alot more then others due to their direct ancestry to the prophet.