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Thug I didn't say they totally did it However I do remember reading it was a Sufi who did and I have 2 different books both are the biography of the last caliphate Uthman bin Affan so I know the full story. Allahu Alam

Sufis are given a bad image, but they are the true muslims, wallahi a sufi's niyya and spiritual capability is strong, the amount of commitment and time they spend in sitting alone praising allah and sending peace upon the prophet, you would be shocked. Main stream sheikhs label them as shirks , 1000 years ago all well known scholars, Shafi,Malik,Hanifi, Ibn Kathir, Ibn Taymimma, not one of them have said such things about sufis, why now?

Thug I didn't say they totally did it However I do remember reading it was a Sufi who did and I have 2 different books both are the biography of the last caliphate Uthman bin Affan so I know the full story. Allahu Alam

There were no Sufis at that time walaal.Or at least not as we understand it now .That period was the known as the "Rightly Guided Period" or the time of the.Al-Khulafa-ur-Rashidun

There is no need to lecture on shirk and bid'a 24/7 the prophet already told us.


Prophet Muhammad(s) said By Allah! I am not

afraid that you will worship others along with

Allah after my death, but I am afraid that you will

fight with one another for the worldly things.”

Sahi Bukhari Volume 2, Book 23, Number 428:


Why didn't they read this hadith , the muslims divide more and more everytime they bring a lecture out, xatta there are some lectures saying taraweeh is bid'a.

I don't know why people regard the House of Saud as saints who are to be followed. They aren't. Now I know people on this website don't know what they are talking about. Somali experts on everything.

I was good friends (and kind of still am) with a Prince's son during high school and my bachelor days and he would drink licks every weekend and sometimes skip his classes and exams to go to strip clubs (but of course get someone to write it for him). Of course he was and still is a great guy but I would never in my life follow him or his family as an Islamic example .Even if his father is a low level Prince, I can't help but not imagine that this is the same for lots of the other sons in the family who are sent overseas.

Because in Yammul Qiyama he is ALIVE and we ask him to beg Allah for us as he is the only perfect being he was the best man to ever be created (SAW) and we don't pray and beg a dead person to intercede for us on Yammul Qiyama he is ALIVE and we can SEE him therefore ask him FACE TO FACE and he PRAYS to Allah and asks him while he is ALIVE bear in mind no one is dead on that day we are all ALIVE so it isn't wrong then the Sahaba used to ask Him (saw) beg Allah for us for our forgiveness etc and he used to because he was ALIVE but after he died none of them prayed to him to intercede for them now he is DEAD and just like every dead human he has NO special POWERS! He is a HUMAN therefore his body rots but his soul is alive just like every HUMAN being Allah created. Yes he is our beloved prophet but u need to remember he was JUST A HUMAN LIKE US ALL. He himself used to stress this when he was alive. Even in the masjid where he is buried no one knows exactly what area he is buried in or where he is facing you know why? Because people would actually start worshipping him audobillah. And Allah knows best (Allahu Musta'an)

Abu listen to this talk about the knowledge you need before you can start challenging Shuyuukh

I would post SAHIH hadeeths and Quran to proof things but in using my iPhone as my lap top broke insh'Allah I should provide you with evidence when I'm on a pc.

Abu listen to this talk about the knowledge you need before you can start challenging Shuyuukh

Jazakallah, i'm wondering should become a scholar so aan ku tufo dadkan mise should i go and try to develop somaliland.

Tough decisions.

I would post SAHIH hadeeths and Quran to proof things but in using my iPhone as my lap top broke insh'Allah I should provide you with evidence when I'm on a pc.

TeAmo, go on this link and educate yourself, this link shows you proofs from Imam Nawawi, Ibn Kathri, the Qur'an, the Sahih hadiths, Imam Jalal As-Suyuti.


http://www.ahlus-sunna.com/index.php?op ... Itemid=116

Thug I didn't say they totally did it However I do remember reading it was a Sufi who did and I have 2 different books both are the biography of the last caliphate Uthman bin Affan so I know the full story. Allahu Alam

There were no Sufis at that time walaal.Or at least not as we understand it now .That period was the known as the "Rightly Guided Period" or the time of the.Al-Khulafa-ur-Rashidun

I swear by Allah Sufism existed then, as soon as the prophet died all these sects such as Shia and Sufism started forming.

He is alive spiritually and he knows the state of his ummah, this is his ummah remember that, you think he can just die and then distengrate and then gone like that?, the prophet muhammad is the only prophet who has no prophet after him, his Ummah now extends for over a 1000 years, hes with us spiritually, don't say he's dead, every single night an angel brings all your deeds to him and if he sees something good he says alhamdulilah and even he sees something bad he says astaghfirullah. This is Sahiih.

abubaakar subeer there is no point of calling ur self a sufi or what ever
You can like sheikhs like sheikh jacfari or like sheikh junayd al baqdad sheikh axmed ghazali or abdulqadir gilani u can like their books about spirituality I read some of them. But no need to call ur self sufi
We are muslims and those who say we follow the salafi prophet never said follow the salafists
We should follow his hadiths and quraan that is what will lead us to heaven
There were people who asked prophet muhammed to bless them but that was when he was alive.
Yes it is true his body is still the same as it was in the 7th century but he still dead
We don't ask prophet to protect us we ask allah to protect us we don't ask prophet muhammad to guide us we ask allah to guide us
Loud dikir is allowed with crowed there are saxiix xadiths on that everything is clear in islam
Visiting graves is oke prophet used to that asking for protection from those dead guys is haram
There is no point of destroying islamic heritage such as graves or where the prophet was born
Since its not haraam to see and visit

Khalid the prophet said I am the perfect Salaf for you to his daughter Fatima which means I am the best example the best to be followed so thus by following him (saw) and his sahaba and the scholars who saw the Sahaba and the scholars who saw the scholars who saw the Sahaba by reading their work which helps us to understand what hadeeths and quranic verses means we are basically following the Salaf those who are examples to us ( the pious predecessors) therefore every Muslim who does that follows the Rasul of Allah accurately and looks at the sahaba and the tabi'un and the atba tabi'un and also holding onto the Quran tightly and not letting any bid'a enter such as calling upon the dead whether prophet or otherwise is technically a follower of the Salaf. Allahu Alam

abubaakar subeer there is no point of calling ur self a sufi or what ever
You can like sheikhs like sheikh jacfari or like sheikh junayd al baqdad sheikh axmed ghazali or abdulqadir gilani u can like their books about spirituality I read some of them. But no need to call ur self sufi
We are muslims and those who say we follow the salafi prophet never said follow the salafists
We should follow his hadiths and quraan that is what will lead us to heaven
There were people who asked prophet muhammed to bless them but that was when he was alive.
Yes it is true his body is still the same as it was in the 7th century but he still dead
We don't ask prophet to protect us we ask allah to protect us we don't ask prophet muhammad to guide us we ask allah to guide us
Loud dikir is allowed with crowed there are saxiix xadiths on that everything is clear in islam
Visiting graves is oke prophet used to that asking for protection from those dead guys is haram
There is no point of destroying islamic heritage such as graves or where the prophet was born
Since its not haraam to see and visit

niyohow i said intercession through of the prophet is halal i, thats asking nabiga inu ko su duceyo, what part of he's alive don't you don't get.
He said

"My life is good for you. You will relate about me and it will be related to you, and my death is a good for you, for your actions will be presented to me. If I see goodness I will praise Allah, and if I see other than that I will ask forgiveness of Him for you.”

Khalid the prophet said I am the perfect Salaf for you to his daughter Fatima which means I am the best example the best to be followed so thus by following him (saw) and his sahaba and the scholars who saw the Sahaba and the scholars who saw the scholars who saw the Sahaba by reading their work which helps us to understand what hadeeths and quranic verses means we are basically following the Salaf those who are examples to us ( the pious predecessors) therefore every Muslim who does that follows the Rasul of Allah accurately and looks at the sahaba and the tabi'un and the atba tabi'un and also holding onto the Quran tightly and not letting any bid'a enter such as calling upon the dead whether prophet or otherwise is technically a follower of the Salaf. Allahu Alam

The salafists today are not the same as the ones 1400 years ago