Why i know im Ahlul Bayt,

[ZubeirAwal]

Last topic. I watched a lecture given by Sheikh Hamza Yusuf called ( Honouring the Ahlul Bayt, ) , coming to the end of the lecture he said something really interesting . He said one day a girl who happened to be in the audience of the lecture , it was a question and answer session, and the girl wasn't wearing a hijab, she looked very liberal , and she asked, "Why did the prophet Muhammad visit me in my dream even though i'm not practicing ?"He said he asked her straight away " Are you a descendant ? " , and she said " How did you know?" He said that the prophet Muhammad (saw) wouldn't visit a normal not practicing muslim in a dream unless he/she is a descendant because he has a special connection with them. on this point i remembered when the prophet visited me in my dream like 5 months ago, at the time i was struggling with my deen, salahs would just slip by but my niyya all the time was i want to be on my deen 110%, and then on a monday i decided to fast , it was a college day, i missed duhr and asr, i came home and broke my fast with a fanta and a sandwich , i was too tired for isha and when i fell asleep , i had that dream and i still remember every detail of it. I was in a islamic looking library and there was books scatterd all over the floor, i was dressed with a green turban and a khamiis, i went up these stairs and my father was there , he gave me a handful of things and said "Here, take these and give it to the prophet he's downstairs" then i went down stairs and i stood infront of the prophet and thats all that i could remember . And i knew that was the prophet because that kind of instinct in a dream when you know someone is in the dream, or a nightmare and you know its the shaitan. But the prophet said in several hadiths that thd shaitan can't take his form. Asalatu wasalamu ya khayri khalqillah, ya habiballah, how i yearn to see your beautiful face

[eliteSomali]

Descendant of what? In other words you're descendant of the prophet?

[Alchemist]

proph said in several hadiths that thd shaitan can't take his form.

That is only for the people who have met the prophet(pbuh) and know how he looks like but you havent met the prophet so the devil can take any form and you still wouldnt know if is the prophet or not.

Brother do you know in almost every single muslim country in the world there are people who claim to be from Ahlul Bayt? From Nigeria to Pakistan there are muslim tribes who would swear by Allah that their Ahlul Bayt. The reason for this is right after the death of the prophet(pbuh) people thought the more closer you are to the prophet the more legitimacy you had to rule. You can go to china and you will find Chinese tribes who would claim Ahlul Bayt, this is not unique to Somalis only...

Anyways you dont need to be from Ahlul Bayt to be a good muslim.

[Alphanumeric]

That's cool.

[TeAmo]

proph said in several hadiths that thd shaitan can't take his form.

That is only for the people who have met the prophet(pbuh) and know how he looks like but you havent met the prophet so the devil can take any form and you still wouldnt know if is the prophet or not.

Brother do you know in almost every single muslim country in the world there are people who claim to be from Ahlul Bayt? From Nigeria to Pakistan there are muslim tribes who would swear by Allah that their Ahlul Bayt. The reason for this is right after the death of the prophet(pbuh) people thought the more closer you are to the prophet the more legitimacy you had to rule. You can go to china and you will find Chinese tribes who would claim Ahlul Bayt, this is not unique to Somalis only...

Anyways you dont need to be from Ahlul Bayt to be a good muslim.

[ZubeirAwal]

alchemist, are you insisting that was the shaitan who came in my dream and where does the prophet distinguish between those who seen him and those who didn't . As a child growing up i only thought of the prophet as a prophet, a day came where i was reading a story book about the prophet, i was 8 or 9 i remember weeping so hard just because of reading this 15 page book. I have this emotional connection with the prophet and this led me to becoming deeply spiritual and eventually a sufi. I don't think this love i have for the prophet is coincidental , i know its because im a descendant . From father passed down to son i can count to Imam Ali A.S by heart, you telling me all this is bullshit and i shall throw it out of the window

[Alchemist]

alchemist, are you insisting that was the shaitan who came in my dream and where does the prophet distinguish between those who seen him and those who didn't . As a child growing up i only thought of the prophet as a prophet, a day came where i was reading a story book about the prophet, i was 8 or 9 i remember weeping so hard just because of reading this 15 page book. I have this emotional connection with the prophet and this led me to becoming deeply spiritual and eventually a sufi. I don't think this love i have for the prophet is coincidental , i know its because im a descendant . From father passed down to son i can count to Imam Ali A.S by heart, you telling me all this is bullshit and i shall throw it out of the window

No am not telling you to throw out of the window. I'm just saying we can only hope but we are not certain. When the prophet(pbuh) made that statement he was talking to his companions. This is what the scholars say. Just remember my brother some of the greatest muslims were not even Arabs. But if this connection with Ahlul Bayt helps you be a better Muslim than i say mashAllah

[ZubeirAwal]

Bro when the prophet spoke he also spoke of his ummah, today we are his ummah, I heard the 3ulema the likes of sayyidis and the saada such as Sheikh Muhammad Abu Huda Al- Yaqoubi, Sheikh Habiib Ali Al-Jifri, Sheikh Yahya Al-Ninowy can confirm if i'm a descendant , they can see it in their eyes who the children of the prophet are. Ahlul Bayt , the ones who study the deen have better understanding of the quran and the deen then normal muslims , and the Ahlul Bayt are said to be kind , generous people, i recieve these compliments alot , i'm sometimes in doubt , and then sometimes i'm certain for sure. I hope Allah gives me a chance to see him again Inshallah, thats the only desire i want

[Tuushi]

This is kinda awkward.

[SultanOrder]

proph said in several hadiths that thd shaitan can't take his form.

That is only for the people who have met the prophet(pbuh) and know how he looks like but you havent met the prophet so the devil can take any form and you still wouldnt know if is the prophet or not.

Brother do you know in almost every single muslim country in the world there are people who claim to be from Ahlul Bayt? From Nigeria to Pakistan there are muslim tribes who would swear by Allah that their Ahlul Bayt. The reason for this is right after the death of the prophet(pbuh) people thought the more closer you are to the prophet the more legitimacy you had to rule. You can go to china and you will find Chinese tribes who would claim Ahlul Bayt, this is not unique to Somalis only...

Anyways you dont need to be from Ahlul Bayt to be a good muslim.

Alchemist, a lot of scholars would disagree with you about the condition of seeing the prophet scw only being limited to people who have seen him. These scholars are among the eminent of our Ummah such as Imam Nawawi.

And just because there are Ahlul Bayt in every country doesn't negate the fact that Ahlul bayt have migrated in the muslim world and have intermixed with local populations. You don't bring a strong argument there being many ahlul bayt.

[SultanOrder]

I had two amazing dreams of an Calim who is ahlul bayt.

[Alchemist]

Alchemist, a lot of scholars would disagree with you about the condition of seeing the prophet scw only being limited to people who have seen him. These scholars are among the eminent of our Ummah such as Imam Nawawi

I think you misunderstood me bro. I'm not saying that seeing the prophet(pbuh) is only limited to his companions, what i am saying is the part of shaitan not being able to take his form is only limited to those who saw him in his lifetime. As for the entire muslim Ummah being able to see him in a dream i accept that but since the person doesnt actually know how the prophet looks like he cant claim for certain that is the prophet that he saw but can only hope.

[Khalid Ali]

Sheikh abdulqadir jilani an ahlu bait from Persia said that he saw prophet Muhammad csw and Sayiduna ali ibn abu thalib both in his dream and that they identify themselves to him he said they came together in his dream. some sheikhs say that those that come to u in ur dream identify themselves allah hu yaclam

I have so far only dreamed about Luqmaan. i hope one day the Prophet comes and i see him.

[Alchemist]

When someone claims to have seen the prophet(pbuh) in a dream the companions would ask that person to describe it to them.

It was narrated that Abu Hurayrah said: I heard the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) say, “Whoever sees me in a dream will see me when he is awake, and the Shaytaan cannot take my shape.” Al-Bukhaari said: Ibn Sireen said: If he sees him in his true image.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 6592; Muslim, 2266

If a man told Ibn Sireen that he had seen the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) [in a dream], he would say, “Describe to me the one whom you saw.” If he gave a description that he did not recognize, he would say, “You did not see him.” Its isnaad is saheeh.

Al-Haakim narrated via ‘Aasim ibn Kulayb (who said), my father told me: I said to Ibn ‘Abbaas, “I saw the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in a dream.” He said, “Describe him to me.” He said, “I mentioned al-Hasan ibn ‘Ali and said that he looked like him.” He said, “You did indeed see him.” Its isnaad is jayyid.

See Fath al-Baari, 12/383, 384.

[SultanOrder]

Alchemist, a lot of scholars would disagree with you about the condition of seeing the prophet scw only being limited to people who have seen him. These scholars are among the eminent of our Ummah such as Imam Nawawi

I think you misunderstood me bro. I'm not saying that seeing the prophet(pbuh) is only limited to his companions, what i am saying is the part of shaitan not being able to take his form is only limited to those who saw him in his lifetime. As for the entire muslim Ummah being able to see him in a dream i accept that but since the person doesnt actually know how the prophet looks like he cant claim for certain that is the prophet that he saw but can only hope.

I see, it is a clever argument, but not sure how that really works up. In what you are saying, is this. If none of us have seen him in real life then we do not know how he looks like. So, if we see him a dream, we do not know for sure that we have seen him.
" One who sees me in a dream, it is as if he has truly seen me, for Satan cannot impersonate me. "
Well, you guys are qualifying the part of the statement that mentions what Satan can and cannot impersonate. I ask then, how close can Satan come to impersonating the Prophet?

My argument is thus, we have never seen the prophet scw, but we have read authentic descriptions. We know it is possible to see him in a dream scw. We know that he would not encourage us into sin. So, by this standard, we can be sure that if certain conditions are met that it was him scw.

Asim Bin Kulayb once said; " I related to Ibn Abbas, Allah bless his soul and that of his father, that I saw Allah's Prophet Muhammad (uwbp) in a dream. Ibn Abbas replied; " Describe him to me. " Asim Bin Kulayb added; " I described him as resembling Al-Hassan son of Ali, upon both of them be peace. " Ibn Abbas replied; " Indeed you have seen him. "

If one sees Allah's Prophet, upon whom be peace, coming toward him in a dream, it means blessings and benefits, and if one sees Allah's Prophet Muhammad (uwbp) turning away from him in a dream, it means the opposite. Al-Qadi Iyad, Allah bless his soul, interpreted the words of Allah's Prophet Muhammad (uwbp) in his saying; " Has truly seen me, " to mean; " has truly seen my physical form, " that the blessed companions knew, while seeing him in another form in a dream means that one's dream connotes personal interpretations. Following the explanation of Al-Qadi Iyad, Imam Al Nawawi commented by saying; " This is a weak explanation. A stronger interpretation is to say that one who sees Allah's Prophet Muhammad (uwbp) in a dream has seen him in reality however his resemblance may appear. Whether the resemblance in the dream is known or not. "

In Imam Nawawi's opinion is to put the reality of the dream on the perception of the dreamer despite the form of the Rasul scw. So your argument wouldn't hold much weight with him.