Why i know im Ahlul Bayt,

[gurey25]

Eaglehawk there are 2 explanations for e1b1b1 occurrance amongst claiments of ahlulbayt
1) the frequent occurance of this haplogroup amongst quraish and bamu hashim due to arabs having multiple origins and frrquent adoption of clans
This explains why several well known ahlulbayt are e1b1b1
Example the qassimis of sharjah and ras al khayma

2)the fact that the concept of religoua geneology was common
with the imediate family and close followers of a shiekh or sufi murid
Uniting into one clan within a few generations.


And abubaker i repeat the duriya is private
Please stop boasting online

[SultanOrder]

I had a dream about Jabril aleyhi wasalam and the prophet (Saw) which has lead me to the path of becoming a good Muslim before that I was actually thinking of becoming an Athiest and I was searching about other religions too I started to become convinced God didn't exist and started thinking the world started with the big bang theory. subhan'Allah no trolling intended I don't come from a family of religious ppl only my gran is but she doesn't tell us what to do or anything she just minds her own. My family never prayed or did anything islamic only fast until I changed and alhamdulilah my household changed with me especially my dad he was the least religious person but now alhamdulilah he changed too.

Masha'Allah, that was a great blessing

[Leftist]

So ppl like faroole, ayaan hersi ali, barre hiraale and cadde muuse are descendants of Imam Ali r.a huh? Then i have to declare the following that iam aswell descendant of Quraish via Muawiya ibn abi sufyan.

Ayatollah Hutu bringing down the house as usual.

Abukar Subeer the Young Sufi,

Bro you're not Ahlul Bayt. Nobody alive today is. The only Ahlul Bayt to ever exist and will ever exist are the following:

- Nabi Muxamaed
- His wives
- His daughters
- His immediate grandchildren(Hasan, Husayn)
- Cali bin Abii Taalib

Those are the Ahlul Bayt mentioned in the Quran, according to the mufasireen. End of. Nobody else is Ahul Bayt. There is no Ahlul Bayt genetic marker. No Ahlul Bayt halo of light. No Ahlul Bayt 'special powers'. No Ahlul Bayt 'awliyaa-hood'.

This notion that Ahlul Bayt(ie, anybody who claims a link to Ali/Fatima) are somehow 'special' or 'blessed' is just another holdover from past religions/cultures, case-in-point: the veneration given to the Sassanid emperors of Persia where they were worshipped as living gods. After the defeat of the Sassanids, the Persians took up the cause of Husain and basically started worshipping him as a divinely-ordained Imam. Why Husain you might ask, and not his older brother Hasan? Because Husain married the daughter of the defeated Sasssanid emperor and had kids with her. Since those kids carried royal Sassanid blood, they too became divinely-ordained "Imams". Load o'crock, but thats where Ahul Bayt worship takes you.

Some of the most despicable people to ever live claimed to be Ahlul Bayt: The Fatimid empire soo akhri. And in more modern times, the Hashemite stooges ruling Jordan(ie, a creation of Colonial Britian). They actually have the best claim to be Ahlul Bayt as they've never left Mecca and can trace back their lineage directly to Ali/Fatima. Yet, they also played a critical role in the defeat of the Ottoman empire and were constantly, from the 1900's till today on the payroll of colonial powers. That's 'Ahlul bayt' sheegasho for you.

So yeah bro, 'bout time to retire this whole Ahlul Bayt romantic myth. Ina akramakum 3indallahi atqaakum

[gurey25]

Mashallah one of the best posts

My only peeve with you is your name
I hope you are not a leftist

[SahanGalbeed]

they also played a critical role in the defeat of the Ottoman empire

The Ottomam Empire wasn't defeated by anybody but themselves , that's what it is .
Aniga waxa la ii diida , qofka taarikhda dhinaca u sheekada ku riixanayo uun ka akhriya

[Shirib]

I had a dream about Jabril aleyhi wasalam and the prophet (Saw) which has lead me to the path of becoming a good Muslim before that I was actually thinking of becoming an Athiest and I was searching about other religions too I started to become convinced God didn't exist and started thinking the world started with the big bang theory. subhan'Allah no trolling intended I don't come from a family of religious ppl only my gran is but she doesn't tell us what to do or anything she just minds her own. My family never prayed or did anything islamic only fast until I changed and alhamdulilah my household changed with me especially my dad he was the least religious person but now alhamdulilah he changed too.

That's good Masha'Allah. Allah loves his slave, who sins and turns to him for forgiveness.

Glad you didn't stray away.

[SultanOrder]

Lol @ leftist, warkale sheeg. Kulaha there is no such thing as Ahlul Bayt, and this veneration is from the Sasannadi relics. But brother you are correlating Shi'i doctrine with Sassanid doctrine. At first glance, you would think the persians who are are predominantly Shi'i and are the descendents of the Sasanadi empire, there would be that correlation. But you forget that for Persia's predominant history it has been a Sunni until about 1500 when it was forcefully converted into shi'ism by Ismail the First. Ahlul bayt by that time, were in many places in the muslim world, from both lines of Hassan and Hussein.

[Leftist]

Gurey,

I'm gonna make a statement and you're probably gonna disagree with it, but hear me out, ok?

Waxaan iri: Every positive development mankind(muslim ama gaal) has made since the dawn of written history is the product of left-wing idealogy.

before you yell "Objection!", barasho ka hor ha ii nicin. I'll start a thread "On the virtues of Socalism" after Ramadan. You'd be suprised how much we are in agreement.

Sahan,

There is no question that the Ottoman Empire was a corrupt entity that planted the seeds of it's own destruction. Notice that I didnt use the word khilaafah/caliphate, because it wasn't. It was a empire. A Turkish-Muslim empire. It had it's great moments(ie, liberation of Istanbul, railroad linking Medina to Quds/Shaam), and some pretty effed up ones(ie, Armenian genocide, oppression of non-Turkic people)

Still, none of that provides justification for Abdul-Aziz of House Saud and all the other Arab stooges(House Shareef, House Nahyan, House Sabah) to side with colonial powers. If they had beef with their fellow Muslim Ottomans, they should've settled in-house . Instead, they sold Muslim solidarity for a few pounds of gold, and stood by the sidelines as Britian and France carved up Shaam/Quds/ into little squabbling little states.

[Shirib]

Leftist,

The Armenian genocide was perpetrated by the Young Turks.

Imam al Mahdi will be born at the end of times, he will be a descendant of Rasullu'Allah saw. Unless you believe the shi'a doctrine that the Imam is hiding in a cave, you have to believe that Ahlul Bayt are around today. Allah aclam who they are, because I hardly believe that its as many as people claim.

[gurey25]

Leftist i have gone through all the isms and i have come a full circle to islam.
And dont be too hard on the arabs technically they did not rebell against the khalifa because as
Of 1908 when the young turks made their coup against sultan abdelhamid the last khalifa
The ottoman empire was run by the three pashas and every ob of them was an athiest or agnostoc
In other words kufaar.

[grandpakhalif]

Reading past threads made me realize SNET has lost its diversity, we used to have men like Galol, Avowdely-atheist and others who would debate with muslims and It was a good debate indeed.

[TeAmo]

I had a dream about Jabril aleyhi wasalam and the prophet (Saw) which has lead me to the path of becoming a good Muslim before that I was actually thinking of becoming an Athiest and I was searching about other religions too I started to become convinced God didn't exist and started thinking the world started with the big bang theory. subhan'Allah no trolling intended I don't come from a family of religious ppl only my gran is but she doesn't tell us what to do or anything she just minds her own. My family never prayed or did anything islamic only fast until I changed and alhamdulilah my household changed with me especially my dad he was the least religious person but now alhamdulilah he changed too.

Typical darood family walee

Im not darood you short feminine shithead. Idoors proudly claim to have ancestory with Jews and they r the only Somalis living in israel so your idoor ass don't have any right to generalise a tribe.

[SahanGalbeed]

Naaye taadani futada cawlani , waxan ku idhi halkeed inagu aragtay inaga ?
Israel haddanaad inaga ga horrayn , ma ciddad joogtaad inooga warami lahayd ?
Waa na i dhibaya magacaasi , dhinac kale i ma dhibayo weeye arrinteedu .

[TeAmo]

Naaye taadani futada cawlani , waxan ku idhi halkeed inagu aragtay inaga ?
Israel haddanaad inaga ga horrayn , ma ciddad joogtaad inooga warami lahayd ?
Waa na i dhibaya magacaasi , dhinac kale i ma dhibayo weeye arrinteedu .

I have no idea what you just said

[SultanOrder]

Naaye taadani futada cawlani , waxan ku idhi halkeed inagu aragtay inaga ?
Israel haddanaad inaga ga horrayn , ma ciddad joogtaad inooga warami lahayd ?
Waa na i dhibaya magacaasi , dhinac kale i ma dhibayo weeye arrinteedu .

I have no idea what you just said

He said how would you know who is in Israel if you weren't there first.