Book recommendation

[gurey25]

In november i came across this amazing author
S. E. Al-Djazairi
and this book The Golden age and Decline of Islamic civilization.

I have never come across anything more detailed that offers vaild explanations.

i highly recommend it.

[SultanOrder]

what are some of explanations?

[Arabmann]

S. E. Al-Djazairi

Do Salafis/Wahhabis approve of this author?

[gurey25]

Well you have come across the explanations put forth by western historians.

1. conservatism of muslim ulema
2. fall of the muctazali philosophers and common acceptance of atharis

aldjazairi credibly puts forth the main explanation to be economic.
economic and political collapse in all the major muslim regions, with the main fault being the mongol catastrophe.
for example the scale of the disaster is not well known.
Do you know that Iraq reached the population it had before 1250AD by the 1980's. !!!!!!

its the same with Syria and Egypt and Iran.

we had total collapse of society , due to war, famine and disease exactly at the same time when the west started to come out of its shell.

aldjazairi shows that alghazalis defeat of the neo-platonisists like ibn rushd did not stop science because both groups where not
extreme in the first place, the atharis respected science but did not like idle philosophizing based on the works of kaafir thinkers like plato and aristotle, and the neo-platonists like ibn rushd respected tradition and shareeca but where more adventurous in thinking.

Even after the fall of the muctazala and their allies you still had so many muslims scientists like Omar Khayam, Nasr ul deen al tusi.
The crusades and the atharis did not even slow down or stop muslim intellectual development.

it was collapse of the society that put an end to muslim civilization.

Culema after the 1250's were poor survivors , mostly refugees with no funding and increasingly conservative and afraid and were focused on preserving islam not expanding it.

The mindset of muslims changed after the mongol disaster, where before you had a very wealthy culture that was too peacefull
(which is against shareeca, according to the rasuul allah every muslim must be trained for war and prepared for it)
and soft, actually allot like todays western culture .
After the mongol disaster the survivers were traumatized and focused on survival, which meant war and more war.
We had some of the greatest jihads after this, like the expansion of the Dehli sultanate, the Ottomans and the Mamluks
but few people looked for cilm.

infact most muslim scientist that survived immigrated to where they could get funding and live a better life,
like China for example.
Did you know that the 2 top generals that helped the founding of the Ming Dynasty were muslim, one of them half perisan.
did you know that the administration of the Ming dynasty in the early days was not dominated by confusians who went through the exam system but my muslim refugees from Khwarezm and as far west as Syria.
The adminstrators of the early Ming dynasty's factories producing cannons and guns were muslims, and basically allot of the technology was imported by muslim refugees.

[Colonel]

S. E. Al-Djazairi

Do Salafis/Wahhabis approve of this author?

[gurey25]

S. E. Al-Djazairi

Do Salafis/Wahhabis approve of this author?

I do not know and frankly i do not care about their approval.
I was under the impression that Salafis/wahabis did not concern themselves with these things and focused their entire intellectual
effort on women's clothing.

if i come across salafis discussing this book or the topics in it, or even disproving it i will welcome it
because it shows that they read.

[COOL-MAN]

lol

How did you get the book Gurta? bought it? if so what book shop? islamic? can one get it from amazon?

[gurey25]

i found it in the house of a friend, but yu can get it on amazon,
along with his other books.

i dont know much about the auther other than he really is djazairi, from algeria

[gurey25]

he has entire chapter devoted islamic gardens.
apparently the early muslims were obsessive gardeners, and also obsessed with cleanliness and attention to detail like the Japanese today.

every house had a garden, from the poorest to the richest.
.

subxanalah how culture changes.

[COOL-MAN]

Thanks. Good author. Ima search it inshaAllah.

[Alchemist]

he has entire chapter devoted islamic gardens.
apparently the early muslims were obsessive gardeners, and also obsessed with cleanliness and attention to detail like the Japanese today.

every house had a garden, from the poorest to the richest.
.

subxanalah how culture changes.

Interesting.. will look for it even though it would be a bit hard finding it here.

[Arabmann]

There's hardship reading the book. That's what one reviewer stated:

Al-Djazairi's book can sometimes be a hard read. There is some repetition as some incidents are analysed from all three perspectives. That can be tiring.

[gurey25]

usually when something is hard to do, it is usually fruitfull.
yes i agree it was hard to read cover to cover but i could not put it down.
The good thing about it is that the different chapters are self containing and you can read it chapter by chapter and not in order.

[SultanOrder]

Sounds like a good read.

[FAH1223]

Well you have come across the explanations put forth by western historians.

1. conservatism of muslim ulema
2. fall of the muctazali philosophers and common acceptance of atharis

aldjazairi credibly puts forth the main explanation to be economic.
economic and political collapse in all the major muslim regions, with the main fault being the mongol catastrophe.
for example the scale of the disaster is not well known.
Do you know that Iraq reached the population it had before 1250AD by the 1980's. !!!!!!

its the same with Syria and Egypt and Iran.

we had total collapse of society , due to war, famine and disease exactly at the same time when the west started to come out of its shell.

aldjazairi shows that alghazalis defeat of the neo-platonisists like ibn rushd did not stop science because both groups where not
extreme in the first place, the atharis respected science but did not like idle philosophizing based on the works of kaafir thinkers like plato and aristotle, and the neo-platonists like ibn rushd respected tradition and shareeca but where more adventurous in thinking.

Even after the fall of the muctazala and their allies you still had so many muslims scientists like Omar Khayam, Nasr ul deen al tusi.
The crusades and the atharis did not even slow down or stop muslim intellectual development.

it was collapse of the society that put an end to muslim civilization.

Culema after the 1250's were poor survivors , mostly refugees with no funding and increasingly conservative and afraid and were focused on preserving islam not expanding it.

The mindset of muslims changed after the mongol disaster, where before you had a very wealthy culture that was too peacefull
(which is against shareeca, according to the rasuul allah every muslim must be trained for war and prepared for it)
and soft, actually allot like todays western culture .
After the mongol disaster the survivers were traumatized and focused on survival, which meant war and more war.
We had some of the greatest jihads after this, like the expansion of the Dehli sultanate, the Ottomans and the Mamluks
but few people looked for cilm.

infact most muslim scientist that survived immigrated to where they could get funding and live a better life,
like China for example.
Did you know that the 2 top generals that helped the founding of the Ming Dynasty were muslim, one of them half perisan.
did you know that the administration of the Ming dynasty in the early days was not dominated by confusians who went through the exam system but my muslim refugees from Khwarezm and as far west as Syria.
The adminstrators of the early Ming dynasty's factories producing cannons and guns were muslims, and basically allot of the technology was imported by muslim refugees.

Nice. I think I'll purchase it