How the Bible became corrupted

[AbdiWahab252]

James,

In addition to borrowing the Trinity from the Ancient Egyptians, how much influence did nonAbrahamic religions have on Christianity ? Also how did the teachings of Zoaster influence Judaism ? Some scholars state that Judaism as we know it had roots in Zoroaster

The basic beliefs of Zoroastrianism look eerily similar to all the Abrahamic religions:

Zoroastrians believe that there is one universal and transcendent God, Ahura Mazda. He is said to be the one uncreated Creator to whom all worship is ultimately directed.[6] Ahura Mazda's creation—evident as asha, truth and order—is the antithesis of chaos, which is evident as druj, falsehood and disorder. The resulting conflict involves the entire universe, including humanity, which has an active role to play in the conflict.[6]
The religion states that active participation in life through good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. This active participation is a central element in Zoroaster's concept of free will, and Zoroastrianism rejects all forms of monasticism. Ahura Mazda will ultimately prevail over the evil Angra Mainyu or Ahriman, at which point the universe will undergo a cosmic renovation and time will end. In the final renovation, all of creation—even the souls of the dead that were initially banished to "darkness"—will be reunited in Ahura Mazda, returning to life in the undead form. At the end of time, a savior-figure (a Saoshyant) will bring about a final renovation of the world (frasho.kereti), in which the dead will be revived.[6]

[Calibesteen]

I stated some facts yesteraday that he did not know, so what does mr. Whiteman aka I know everything aka It is my burden to educate Somalis do, he edited his post only to be exposed by Somalinet itslelf. He changed his post to make it seem like I copied what he wrote.


To all skinnies, stop following this man like he is some kind of Messiah. The knowledge is out there, so start feasting and DonCorleano you disappoint me son, asking this man which Somali clan is the oldest when you are the Somali. Asking him which is the most beautiful, you suffer from something, seek help asap.

[James Dahl]

James,

In addition to borrowing the Trinity from the Ancient Egyptians, how much influence did nonAbrahamic religions have on Christianity ? Also how did the teachings of Zoaster influence Judaism ? Some scholars state that Judaism as we know it had roots in Zoroaster

The basic beliefs of Zoroastrianism look eerily similar to all the Abrahamic religions:

Zoroastrians believe that there is one universal and transcendent God, Ahura Mazda. He is said to be the one uncreated Creator to whom all worship is ultimately directed.[6] Ahura Mazda's creation—evident as asha, truth and order—is the antithesis of chaos, which is evident as druj, falsehood and disorder. The resulting conflict involves the entire universe, including humanity, which has an active role to play in the conflict.[6]
The religion states that active participation in life through good deeds is necessary to ensure happiness and to keep chaos at bay. This active participation is a central element in Zoroaster's concept of free will, and Zoroastrianism rejects all forms of monasticism. Ahura Mazda will ultimately prevail over the evil Angra Mainyu or Ahriman, at which point the universe will undergo a cosmic renovation and time will end. In the final renovation, all of creation—even the souls of the dead that were initially banished to "darkness"—will be reunited in Ahura Mazda, returning to life in the undead form. At the end of time, a savior-figure (a Saoshyant) will bring about a final renovation of the world (frasho.kereti), in which the dead will be revived.[6]

Zoroastrianism has similarities with Judaism though they developed in parallel and had different origins. The influence of Zoroastrianism onto Judaism probably came about when the Persian Empire freed the Jews from Babylon and funded the reconstruction of the Jerusalem temple. Judea was part of the Persian Empire for several hundred years.

[Grant]

I think all the material for all the gospels was written in the mid 1st century, but the important thing isn't when the source material was written, but rather when it was edited and compiled into the book used in the actual New Testament of today.

Grant, if you read the extracts from the Gospel of Peter, it is basically the Gospel of Mark, but various things have been changed. The line "Today I have begotten you" when Jesus is baptized, that is removed in Mark (that's Adoptionism). The talking cross and other Gnostic things are removed from the current Gospel of John. The Gospel of Matthew cuts out the line from the Gospel of the Hebrews that the leadership of Christianity went to James the Just, not Paul. The fact that they were edited I find less egregious than the fact that the editing wasn't by accident but a deliberate and politically motivated change.

I'm disappointed in you James

disrespecting other beliefs ... just like that?

i bet you cant say the same about islam or muslims in general . Talk about taking advantage of western liberal Values

I'm doing no such thing, the study of how the Bible came to be in its current form is a hot topic in theological circles, but the editing of the Gospels is considered to have been a process of removing errors. I beg to differ.

James,

The Gospel of Peter is one of the Gnostic Gospels and is non-canonical. It was rejected by the early church and no one believes it was written by Simon Peter. I have yet to see a translation. Where did you find it?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gospel_of_Peter

The big deal in the Gospel of Peter seems to be that he exonerates Pilot, the Roman, and condemns Herod Antipas, the Idumean/Jew and the scribes and priests of the Temple, for the crucifixion of Jesus. This change in accusation is major in terms of Jewish/Christian relations.

How do you know the lines not seen in the canonical Gospels were not just added in the Gnostic versions, also for political reasons?

[James Dahl]

Here is the Gospel of Peter (though part of it is missing)

http://reluctant-messenger.com/gospel-of-peter.htm

Here I've lined it up with Mark:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub ... utput=html

The main differences:

Jesus is crucified by Herod, not Pilate. The Barabas story and the Jews demanding he be crucified to Herod is not in Peter.
Joseph asks Pilate for his body to be retured before he is crucified, he requests this from Herod but he refuses, saying the sun must not set on those put to death
In Peter, Jesus is 'taken up', is strangely silent on whether he died or not
He is crucified by Jewish soldiers of Herod, not Romans
They write "king of Israel", not King of the Jews
After the sky goes dark and the vail of the Temple is rent, they take him down from the cross, and the earth shakes
He is buried in the Garden of Joseph
Jews fear he will rise from the grave, as the sun set on him before he died, and demand Roman soldiers guard the tomb
The centurion who guards the tomb is named Petronius
They roll a giant boulder to keep Jesus from rising from the dead, and affix seven seals
Two men descend from heaven and retrieve Jesus
The Roman soldiers see this but tell noone
Mary Magdalene (described as a disciple) finds the tomb empty and flees in fear
The Apostles leave Jerusalem, not having talked to Jesus. Noone is aware that anything even happened.

[AbdiWahab252]

James and Grant,

Was there any historical evidence of Jesus's existence ?

[James Dahl]

James and Grant,

Was there any historical evidence of Jesus's existence ?

That depends on your definition of evidence. There were numerous people named Yeshua who were crucified by Roman authorities in Judea, though if the earlier Gospels identifying the crucifier as Herod Antipas rather than the Romans, you won't find a record in Roman records. Also if you don't consider the church a reliable source of evidence that eliminates most evidence, since it was the church who kept most of the records and historical documents after the Roman Empire fell apart.

[Grant]

AW, James,

The best evidence I have seen is that in Flavius Josephus: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus

His descriptions of the deaths of John the Baptist and Jesus are accepted classics. He was writing 66-94 A.D.

[AbdiWahab252]

Thanks Gentlemen

I always find it refreshing that you can have open discussions with Christians and still manage to walk away unscathed.

[MidriGeez]

I decided to work on this the other day:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub ... utput=html

You didn't answer my question bro!

Who is the oldest somali tribe

and name the somali origins of all the rest

According to my research the oldest Somali Tribe recorded was "Dir" from pre islamic arabic scriptures, don't know about qabil names coming about.

[DonCorleone]

I decided to work on this the other day:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/pub ... utput=html

You didn't answer my question bro!

Who is the oldest somali tribe

and name the somali origins of all the rest

According to my research the oldest Somali Tribe recorded was "Dir" from pre islamic arabic scriptures, don't know about qabil names coming about.

What about Hawiye?

Where did isaaq and darood come from

and which somali clan is the most good looking

[Alto]

Doncarlone, i hope you are a female(with apologies to the female species in advance). Can't justify such talk by a male. Yaa quruxsan kulahaa among somali clans. It feels good that i feel such contempt sometimes for certain brain vomits when I come across one.


We had a bible discussion, keep to that or take your clan garbage to the clan section.