Don't send your kids to full time Islamic school

[PrinceDaadi]

The current school system we have r a joke, maybe we dont need to send our kids to those kind of schools.

[Fey]

My major beef with the Islamic schools I've encountered is the complete lack of gender equity. It's pretty appalling. Am I offended the extracurricular budget, in its totality, was is spent on The Little Emperors? Till this day.

[Beenaale_No1]

My major beef with the Islamic schools I've encountered is the complete lack of gender equity. It's pretty appalling. Am I offended the extracurricular budget, in its totality, was is spent on The Little Emperors? Till this day.

I've noticed this too.

[Beenaale_No1]

I agree one hundred percent with Sheikh Union.

[Talo alle udaa]

The biggest thing you can do in a child's life is put some self-esteem and confidence into them at a young age. People wonder why Black students perform so poorly and they think its down to good/bad schools. I tell you, a person can learn anything they put their mind to if they have the confidence and self-belief, comfortable in their own skin. Ambition and self motivation are traits that are not picked up from reading books or having good teachers.

Picture a young person who is taught certain morals and ethics at home that completely contradicts what he sees in school. This conflict rages in his mind, about whether he should join the crowds he sees at school, have a girl friend, smoke pot, look gangsta, or whether he should pray Duhur, excuse himself from the dance hall in the Gym, be seen as a stranger due to his weird customs. Imagine a teen's tender mind having this cultural clash replay every day that he or she goes to school, how will that effect their self-esteem, confidence, and being comfortable with who they are.

I tell you by the time they finish H.S., they will see their own religion as a liability, somehow holding them back from going out with there friends on friday night, enjoying life, etc. It's this emotional turmoil that an Islamic school tries to amend buy atleast having the students talk and discuss about the challenges they face in there age, and how they can stay a practicing muslim in an environment that is not conductive to their way of life.

If one were to evaluate why so many of your own young somali teens have failed in the U.S. public systems, we see precisely this problem. Union is a troll who doesn't give 2 cents about Islamic school or education, his own insecurities and lack of direction seems to have instill in him some kind of crusade against all things Islam. I'm not sure were he went to school, but from my own personal experience i have seen first hand what the public school system has done to so many young men, how it changed there behavior, exposed them to drugs and illicit substances at young age.
I have also seen young teens who have gone through an Islamic education and how they feel a lot comfortable in telling others about their faith, answer questions, and are well rounded individuals.

Maybe Union himself went through this emotional turmoil and eventually gave "IN".

[gurey25]

My experience is probably allot different to most people here.
my primary school was unusual in that it was a british private school that had a british muslim convert as head mistress.
The majority of teachers were british, apart from the arabic and islamic studies teachers and the french teachers that were arab.
I never liked arabic classes it was torture for me, because i could not adapt to the arabic education system that stifles imagination and relies on wrote learning. I was lucky that my islamic studies teachers were really good and did not follow a typical arab style of teaching.
That is why i greatly enjoyed islamic studies and looked forwards to my classes.

I dont know about the islamic schools you have in the US, but the ones my brothers and sister went to in australia was really good,
and consistently gets some of the best scores in the state every year.

[Talo alle udaa]

My experience is probably allot different to most people here.
my primary school was unusual in that it was a british private school that had a british muslim convert as head mistress.
The majority of teachers were british, apart from the arabic and islamic studies teachers and the french teachers that were arab.
I never liked arabic classes it was torture for me, because i could not adapt to the arabic education system that stifles imagination and relies on wrote learning. I was lucky that my islamic studies teachers were really good and did not follow a typical arab style of teaching.
That is why i greatly enjoyed islamic studies and looked forwards to my classes.

I dont know about the islamic schools you have in the US, but the ones my brothers and sister went to in australia was really good,
and consistently gets some of the best scores in the state every year.

This is the same situation for most Islamic schools in the U.S.
It's just that this Union fella has some other issues up in his head.

[gurey25]

seem like he has serious issues about islam period.
i mean i am extremly anti salafi/wahabi but you dont see me dissing islam?
and i am pro islam in politics, and anti secularism.

[Brobaganda]

OK we`ll send them to the local Catholic school, where the teachers will instruct them in rape, sodomy and all forms of child abuse.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... eport.html

Catholics are not much better than the mullah run schools. Send them to government run schools.

Wrong. You can't say a school is bad simply because of religious affiliation. It all depends on the quality of teachers, who attends them, parental incomes, and funding.

http://ontario.compareschoolrankings.or ... nName.aspx

Catholic schools are some of the best in the Toronto area, but they can also be some of the worst.

There's no current rating system for Islamic schools in this area, so I can't say much about it. The schools aren't intergrated into the system and don't really communicate with each other, but had they been I wouldn't be surprised if you found Islamic schools on either end of the spectrum.

People can choose to send their kids wherever they like.

I've attended a Catholic school for a short period of time. They are much better than the secular public schools in terms of education and they have much better facilities. I've always wondered about it too considering Catholic schools and Secular schools are both fully funded by the government and are public schools. They even have central air conditioning in their washrooms and in their prayer rooms where they recite the Lord's Prayer

[union]

seem like he has serious issues about islam period.
i mean i am extremly anti salafi/wahabi but you dont see me dissing islam?
and i am pro islam in politics, and anti secularism.

I am not anti-Islam. All I've ever said on this forum is that government should be independent of religion and that the religious should not infringe upon the rights and liberties of other people. Do you agree with the latter point?

[gurey25]

seem like he has serious issues about islam period.
i mean i am extremly anti salafi/wahabi but you dont see me dissing islam?
and i am pro islam in politics, and anti secularism.

I am not anti-Islam. All I've ever said on this forum is that government should be independent of religion and that the religious should not infringe upon the rights and liberties of other people. Do you agree with the latter point?

I am an anarchist, i do not see much value in this government you speak of, so i would be opposed to a government infringing on the rights an liberties of people. The same way that i would oppose a religious group in government imposing their morality on the people.

[union]

seem like he has serious issues about islam period.
i mean i am extremly anti salafi/wahabi but you dont see me dissing islam?
and i am pro islam in politics, and anti secularism.

I am not anti-Islam. All I've ever said on this forum is that government should be independent of religion and that the religious should not infringe upon the rights and liberties of other people. Do you agree with the latter point?

I am an anarchist, i do not see much value in this government you speak of, so i would be opposed to a government infringing on the rights an liberties of people. The same way that i would oppose a religious group in government imposing their morality on the people.

You said in your post above that you were "pro-Islam in politics". I don't believe anarchy is in line with Islamic political thought. You have to pick one. Either you believe in anarchy where people are free to do whatever, or you believe in a state ruled under shariah. Both cannot co-exist.

[gurey25]

You said in your post above that you were "pro-Islam in politics". I don't believe anarchy is in line with Islamic political thought. You have to pick one. Either you believe in anarchy where people are free to do whatever, or you believe in a state ruled under shariah. Both cannot co-exist.

your interpretation of anarchism is narrow, its not your fault the use of the term anarchism has too wide and interpretation but the simplest definition is oppostion to the armed state and its monopolization of power.
You are misinterpreting 2 things here.

Either you believe in anarchy where people are free to do whatever

people are free to do whatever they want in their own homes in private but they cannot do xaraam in public.
State has no right to interfere in the private houshold, so if you want to drink alcohol, watch porn, and have gay sex in your own home or in a private household the government should not have the power to stop you.
If you want to open a shop that sells alcohol this is in the public domain and the government has the right to ban this and prevent you from doing this and even punish you, the same for holding a gay pride parade.
In islam there is a difference between public and private affairs.
The job of eradicating xaraam should be from the bottom up, starting from the family and then the community through education and social pressure, this is not the governments job.

or you believe in a state ruled under shariah. Both cannot co-exist.

state and shareeca are mutually exclusive or has been since the beginning of islam, and and Islamic state is an oxymoron.
people who use the term islamic state are suffering from the confusion of trying to interpret islam through western lens.
historicaly there hasnet been an islamic state in the western sense , the ottomans were inching towards one and became a state after the tanzimat reforms of 1843 and from then on were a state in the western sense and not much of a muslim dawla.

[DonCorleone]

the reason why they are saying dont send your kids to a islamic school is beacause it is full of bad kids

parents think the school will turn their ciyaal suuq into good muslims, just by dumping them there 7 hours a day

and ciyaal suuq thinks yes a school full of kids like me

also it's very sexest wallahi, do ever send ur daughters there they will get turned out

some islamic school ive seen were like dude wtf? whats wrong with you! most messed up people i have ever seen!! and they think going to islamic school evens it out

and some islamics school the once i seen in alberta love arabs....

and are basically arab worshipping school and VERY RACIST!!

[DonCorleone]

My major beef with the Islamic schools I've encountered is the complete lack of gender equity. It's pretty appalling. Am I offended the extracurricular budget, in its totality, was is spent on The Little Emperors? Till this day.

ive notice this and i am a guy, its like do their parents know, wallahi its f-king horrible, ive seen the way some somalis were treated in those schools got me so mad.

they treat somalis girls like shit and arab girls like a queen or someshit when its the other way around but they are both treated \like shit

i beat up many arab boys for disrespecting my somali sisters, they are all pussies....they can suck my ceeb. i took on 5 of those motherfuckers and beat the fuck outta damn hahaha pusssiessss somali pride