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Re: How did the caliphate disappear?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:41 pm
by AhlulbaytSoldier
Sufiki,
The Ottomans were just like saudis but huge empire. Their system was monarchy, while a real khalifate goes by shura amongst the believers. The believers choose amongst themselves a amiir.
As for the Ottomans, the rule went automatically from father to son or brother to brother.
So it falls under "kinship". We are now in forceful tyranical kinship, look at Syria and Egypt(Mubarak wanted to make his son next leader). Look at the saudis.
These are all tyranical kinship. After that Allah swt will return us real khalifate, but it wont come because we love to watch tv and do shukaansi no By Allah not. It comes because Allah swt will bring forth people who will fight in his cause, they love Him and He loves them. These are the males who will bring back khalifat by Allah'sleave. During that time amir al mumineen Imam Mahdi aleyhi salaam will appear. Blessed are those who follow him, and cursed are those that hate him!

Re: How did the caliphate disappear?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:42 pm
by Shirib
The khilafa was destroyed by the Young Turks movement who took over the Ottoman relationship and locked up the khalif, and stripped him of all his power. The Arabs were reactionaries, but it was the Young Turks who destroyed the Khilafa. Blaming it on the Shariif of Makkah and Saud, is making it sound like the Caliph was running the Ottomans empire when they rebelled, which is not true.

Re: How did the caliphate disappear?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:45 pm
by Cumar-Labasuul
AS, to be able to judge a person or a group you only have to look at the legacy they leave behind. Al-Xarameyn are in the best possible state today masha'allah tabaarak and I can truly say it is a land of Tawxiid; as for turki well it is a secularist enclave, successful business-wise, but you wouldn't even think it was a muslim country.

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Re: How did the caliphate disappear?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:46 pm
by SiennaEarth
Please explain to me what good you will get out of talking about the past and back bitting dead people? Especially a sheikh/scholar of Islam whom you have no knowledge about? Yet you continue to post lies and proproganda and false history about him. Like I said before you were not there to witness with your own eyes what you are accusing of this shaykh. He could be one of the people of Jannah and you could be one of the people of the fire. Yet you sit on your PC calacaling about Saudi Arabia when you should be preparing yourself for Akhira.

Abuukarow just focus on your own good deeds and your A levels and leave matters like this alone, it's evident you lack great knowledge.

Re: How did the caliphate disappear?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:48 pm
by Based
i'm far from a secessionist.
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Re: How did the caliphate disappear?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:49 pm
by AgentOfChaos
Oh great, yet another sect-war by AbuukarSubeer, this got old long time ago. There is no one between you and Allah, it's not like Christianity where you need the approval of priest or clergyman. So I really don't see this whole need to admire one "Sheikh" from one sect of Islam while attacking a "sheikh" from another sect. It doesn't matter what sect any given Muslim belongs to, we're all the same, and honestly I find all "sheikhs" irrelevant. On Judgment Day Allah won't ask you about ANY sheikh.

Re: How did the caliphate disappear?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:52 pm
by ZubeirAwal
It was different my friend, it ruled from morroco to persia, and it took care of the well being of the muslims.

It did not have riba in their nation.

They did not hold alliances with the kuffar.

They did not change what Allah made halal to haram and vice versa.

And most importantly, they recognised Allah as the sovereign, the only model state in the history of mankind that recognizes Allah as the sovereign, and his law above all laws
was the khilafah, the saudis don't do that, the ikhwaan don't do that, don't fool yourself.

The minute you join the UN you go against Allah, the minute you join the IMF you go against Allah, dont you have any aqli to compare this fascist, munafiq state that has reaped the land of hijaz under their name to the khilafah.

Do know that the UN is their god, and the IMF is what they go to for sadaqah, in the guidelines of the registration of a state to the IMF it notes that "You agree the use of gold as currency is prohibited"

BIG problem, Allah has made the dinar Halal for us to use, the moment you sign that sheet, you made what Allah made halal into haram, and that is shirk as the prophet said , changing what allah made lawful into unlawful is shirk, and do know shirk is the one sin allah does not forgive.

I hope you understand my point.

A-levels kaygi Allah ba ii haya, i will preach the truth aslong as i live, i did not come to this dunya to get good grades, i refuse to be seduced of the fitna of today.

Evident i lack great knowledge, O how i pity ye who have no faith.

You'll defend a man, even if he betrayed Allah in his prophet.

I could be going to hell , and LOL he can be going to jannah?> Allah said WA MAY YATAWALLAHUM MINKUM FA INNAHU MINHUM, abdul aziz ibn saud lost his islam the moment he signed that deal, Allah says you become one of them the moment you are subserviant and dependent on those who he forbade us to do so, why can you come to your senses?

Re: How did the caliphate disappear?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:56 pm
by Cumar-Labasuul
this kid is delusional, don't you live in london and use 'paper money' and abide by the laws of the uk government - which is part of the UN and the IMF. Doesn't somalia receive aid from the IMF

:russ: :snoop:

Re: How did the caliphate disappear?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:59 pm
by Shirib
Abuukar,

When Shariif Hussein and Al Saud revolted, who was ruling the Ottoman Empire; Was it the Khaliif or was it the Young Turks?

Re: How did the caliphate disappear?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 4:59 pm
by AhlulbaytSoldier
:wtf: Waxyari ayuu isku buuqay. Ilaahay ha caafiyo.

Re: How did the caliphate disappear?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:00 pm
by AgentOfChaos
It's aakhir mushahar and everyone is going little crazy up in this bitch.


Ok fine, suufism is better than wahabism, there, happy? Now chill sxb.

Re: How did the caliphate disappear?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:02 pm
by Shirib
It's aakhir mushahar and everyone is going little crazy up in this bitch.


Ok fine, suufism is better than wahabism, there, happy? Now chill sxb.
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Re: How did the caliphate disappear?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:05 pm
by Based

A-levels kaygi Allah ba ii haya, i will preach the truth aslong as i live, i did not come to this dunya to get good grades, i refuse to be seduced of the fitna of today.
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Re: How did the caliphate disappear?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:08 pm
by grandpakhalif
Crazy sufis these days

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Re: How did the caliphate disappear?

Posted: Thu Jan 24, 2013 5:09 pm
by AhlulbaytSoldier
Sufis most misunderstood cult :ducktales: