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were somalis once known as habasha?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:52 pm
by sahal80
the habasha is a southren arabian tribe also known as ja3zi one of the 7 tribes of yemen according to an ancient south arabian manuscript.
bilal al habashis native language was well known as al ja3ziya or GEEZ as hassaan bin thabit the poet of the prophet was translating some of his poetry from Gaciiz into arabic. So that makes him a semitic.
What i meant is maybe much of our history had followed the abyssinian history because of somalis not having their own well known name such as the nubians, egyptians, amazigh berbers...
Now this is about the mediaeval era and dates back to ibnu arabi 1165-1240. the andalusian sufis classification says the persian calls allah khoda the roman aysha the turky tanker and the habashi waaq. as we know the abyssinians were fully christian at that century i already mentioned some arabic sources that states some of the ibnu arabi family have moved to modern day somalia and setlled in its south wich is baraawe
Re: were somalis once known as habasha?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:34 pm
by Meyle
Northern Somalia was known as Bilad al-Barbar and was the neighbor of ardul Xabasha while southern Somalia was known as zanj or Azania hence the name that was once considered for Jubbaland.
Re: were somalis once known as habasha?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 4:47 pm
by sahal80
Northern Somalia was known as Bilad al-Barbar and was the neighbor of ardul Xabasha while southern Somalia was known as zanj or Azania hence the name that was once considered for Jubbaland.
I have seen you before posting this stuff but that is not true.
al zayalaca alberber al hamiyoun were known the north and this also the afar claim being zayaalaca and they lived in zaila. The south were known al muqdishawiyoun al berber like in the book rihlat ibnu batutaa.
The zinjz/azania was located south of al waaq waaq country bilaad al waaq waaq wich was the boorana land back then and the zinj were at mumbasa
Booraan lived before in gedo and jubooyinka the country of al waaq waaq
Re: were somalis once known as habasha?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:05 pm
by Navy9
Sometime back I was tracing when did the name Somali appeared, there is only one single reference to it and it seems all websites have copied from each other without giving any further details. It said that an ethiopian king called Yeshaq after defeating the Muslims in Ifat, a poem was composed for the event and that was the first time when Somali/Somali was recorded. There was this other time that I read that Somal actually was an ethiopian prince sent by the king to govern that area of the defeated Muslim territorieswhich ofcourse contradicts all i have read of the Sab/Somali or that other crap of milk the cow.
As for the word berber, its nothing but another word for savages, uncivilized...
Re: were somalis once known as habasha?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:07 pm
by Navy9
...and yeah for the waaq waaq...there are so many scenarios for it and they are all interesting, good bed stories for kids...esp that of the waaq tree, i love it.
Re: were somalis once known as habasha?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 5:17 pm
by Meyle
Northern Somalia was known as Bilad al-Barbar and was the neighbor of ardul Xabasha while southern Somalia was known as zanj or Azania hence the name that was once considered for Jubbaland.
I have seen you before posting this stuff but that is not true.
al zayalaca alberber al hamiyoun were known the north and this also the afar claim being zayaalaca and they lived in zaila. The south were known al muqdishawiyoun al berber like in the book rihlat ibnu batutaa.
The zinjz/azania was located south of al waaq waaq country bilaad al waaq waaq wich was the boorana land back then and the zinj were at mumbasa
Booraan lived before in gedo and jubooyinka the country of al waaq waaq
In books like Peryplus of the Erythraean sea clearly mentions Bilad al-Barbar and its cities like Zeylac (Avalites), Berbera (Malao) etc. They were known for their frankincense trade like in the ancient days of Punt. The ancient Greeks, Romans aswell as Arabs called the north or whats today known as Somaliland, Bilad al-Barbar. The area starting from Mogdishu, all the way south to Zanzibar was known as Zanj.
Re: were somalis once known as habasha?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:12 pm
by sahal80
lol @from mogadisho.
Your greek merchant divides somali into two sea the barbar red sea and the zinj indian ocean. We are talking about the medieval historians who lived with the people.
Ibnu batuta says the sultan of mogadisho abu bakar bin shaykh is by race berber and speakes a dialect of mogadisho but knows arabic
Now look at what he said about kilwa the land of zinj they are jet black in color with tatoo marks on their faces there king is yemani his name hassan bin salan they are zinj
Kilwa is in tanzania no historian haa ever said from mogadisho some say the deep south of mogadisho beyond marka with a berber clan
Re: were somalis once known as habasha?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:19 pm
by Meyle
lol @from mogadisho.
Your greek merchant divides somali into two sea the barbar red sea and the zinj indian ocean. We are talking about the medieval historians who lived with the people.
Ibnu batuta says the sultan of mogadisho abu bakar bin shaykh is by race berber and speakes a dialect of mogadisho but knows arabic
Now look at what he said about kilwa the land of zinj they are jet black in color with tatoo marks on their faces there king is yemani his name hassan bin salan they are zinj
Kilwa is in tanzania no historian haa ever said from mogadisho some say the deep south of mogadisho beyond marka with a berber clan
The people who controlled Mogadishu at those times were not Somali, this is prior to the Ajuuraan, even the name of the city is a proof of my statement. مقديشو or magadhisa, literally means the seat of the shah, which is the persian term for king. If the king is non indigenous, that means he rules indigenous people which is the zanj. Bilad al-Berber was Somaliland including parts of Djibouti where the Afar people live.
Re: were somalis once known as habasha?
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:56 pm
by sahal80
looooooooooooool
I rest my case then.
ibnu batuta calls them berbera and mogadisho being the same berber race and you claiming now its only the north.
Ibnu batuta visited 1331 and the mogadisho people have camel and trade.
My mate mogadisho original people were pastoral, read for the late british and the italian historians who wrote about our history. ajuraan and other pastorals were there before the persian arrival
Re: were somalis once known as habasha?
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:03 am
by DonCorleone
Arabs called all of north somalia and ethiopia habesha
apprently the true habeshea are Eritreans and Ethiopians amahra stole it

it's f-king confusing, if someone knows the story fill me in, but it's something like that,