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Xidigta, Gurey and Sultanka

Thank you gentlemen. The saddest thing about the situation is that both ourselves and our Somali brothers live in dreams. they believe that somalilnd will somehow give up and come back to the fold if it cant get recognition.

It shows how little we know each other despite sharing culture, ethnicity, language and imported faith system. Unrecogntion will STRENGTHEN our resolve in fact it serves as the glue that holds this otherwise potentialy frcatious nation together. As long as the politicians can promise recognition and Landers feel under the hostile gaze of deadly enemies like Somalia, the Arabs, the UN, the Arab League, the Organisation of Islamic counteries and the African union - they will remain together and as united as possible. Do you think Silanyo and Kulmiye would have given up sio easily in 2003 elections if Somaliland was recognised? Absolutely not. they would have probably started a mini-war. He knew they were probably cheated(I am not so sure) but thought of the nation because he knew the threats

It is their threat and hostility that keeps us strong. the moment Somalilnd is recognised and teh general pouplation feel secure under international protection they will trurn their attentions inwards, perhaps encouraged by international largesse. Somaliland will likely become a fairly economically succesful but extremely weak and corrupt government.

The fact that we know we have such powerful enemies like the UN political establishment(UN aid branches like UNICEF are doing sterling job)and the whole of the Arab race keeps united and strong. it keeps on our toes.

Unrecognition actually works for us in that sense. If course it also clips our wings economically because we are lumped with our unfortunate brothers in teh south. So although Berbera is one of teh safest ports in teh world you still have to pay premiuim maritime insurance because it is "Somalia". and who will even think about investing in "Somalia".


Somalilanders are also deluding themselves if we believe trecognition is round teh corner. It is not. Give it 50 years of stability, peace and prosperity and you might stand a chance. Because what most Somalilnders do not know is the sheer organised hostility from some of the most powerful regional players towards us. egypt makes a point of reaffirming the "Sovereignty and territoria, integrity" of Somalia everytime Edna Aden or Pres. Riyal visits an African country. It issues these statements from the foreign ministry in Cairos and usually releases it throught the Embassy in which Lander politicians are visiting.

The message is claer: Don't even think about it. Yemen also tells the US how strong united somalia will be useful in teh war on terror in the area. Mosr seriously for Somaliland, the Saudis remind America and Britian every so often not to get too close to us. America listens to Saudi. Smaller enemies make quite a bit of running too. Djibouti is hostile out of two reasons: Jelousy because we will be bigger than them in every sense of the word and being the tiniest boy in the neighborhood is not a good place to be in Africa and more rationally we will compete with them for investment and political influence and they will lose out on both. They know for example that if Somaliland was recognised, the current US HQ in teh region will most likely be Berbera than DJ. Eritrea hates us because Etghiopia will no longer need Assab and Massawa,. Sudanm despises us because our secession might give the dinka and Nuer more determination to go it alone. Even ethiopia would rather keep us unrecognised because it can influence more readily and keep ius a much weaker partner.

And friends? Almost none. So recognition won't come anytime soon - which is good.

Galol:

Now if only your smellyland leaders could be as candid and forthcomming about the possiblity of Somaliland recognition in our lifetime

The problem is that the general public in Somaliland is being duped in to believing aqoonsiga is always just around the corner; one more parliamentrary election, another general election, another office opened in iceland and recognition will be ours

The reason all humanity outside of the isaaq clan is diametrically oppossed to the emergence of another impoverished african nation is because we see Smellyland for what it is! a lame attempt by one of the clan-families in Somalia to gain hedemony over neighboring clans because they feel insecure in the present internationally recognized borders of Somalia. Their motto is "better to be a big fish in a small pond then a cat-fish in an ocean swarming with sharks"

qaldaamiinta jaadkaa waalay. labo nin oo masaakiin ah inteey qabteen ee aduunka ugu sheekeynaayaan waxaa qabanay OSAMA saaxiibkiis. war waxaas N.G.O yada aa $$$ looga dishaa filinkaas waa qarxay saasna aqoonsi laguma helo.

Apollo&Biiqaaye. Read this, beacuse this is the reason why I, Galol, Intruder, Qudhac and many others will never dream of sharinga a common destiny or a country with the likes of you, call us smelly or qaldaan, call us what you will, one thing for sure, you are never to see Somaliland reuniting with your corrupt-to-the-core Wanlawayn, not in a million years.

Somalilanders knew things were not going to be good shortly after they so generously handed over their freedom. The Southern bstrads simply helped themselves to the government: the President, Speaker, Prime Minister and the ministers of Foreign, defense, internal and finance were all given to the South. In fact the whole of teh Somaliland government was given teh Education portfolio which Egal turned down in disgust.

Then we saw how sly and corrupt the southerners can get during the refrendum of 1961 to confirm the union. Somalilanders voted against by majority but the Southerners cheated on a grand scale claiming that thousands of voters said `Yes' in one cow and tape-worm southern villages like Adan Yabal and Wanlaweyn. No wonder teh Northners saw the flooding of Wanlaweyn few weeks later as divine retribution

"oh the grand god that flooded wallaweyn....accept the whole [southern] ministers next week as gift from us"(Allahii Wallweyn webiga ku darow, wigganna naga ho Wasiirrada)

Somalialnders named the whole Southern people after this betrayal town hence the name Wallaweyn and what it means to Landers: truffo, khiyaamo, thuggery, cherrymandering, corruption.

Enemies we have plenty,
the godforsaken Arabs, the Italians and especially the Egyptians.
Why cant Egypt see thats its strategic policy is going nowhere and is obselete, a united somalia even if by some miracle is created today, it will be so weak that it will continue to be influenced by ethiopia due to clan differances.

The Italians still have pathetic dreams of meddling in the affairs of its excolony.

The yemenis swallowed hundred of millions of aid earmarked for somalia
by the arb league, andnis still profitting from it.




we have some friends though,

We have South Africa and Senegal and other african counties that are either nuetral or slowly comming over to our side in the AU.
We have the UK and Scandinavian countries that are syphatetic but are
cancelled out by Italy's adamant opposition in the EU.


In the Long run Non Recognition is a good thing, the only misgivings i have is the way Ethiopia profits from this situation.
A non-recognised somaliland is practically a semi protectorate of Ethiopia,
we have to align our economic and security policies along with Ethiopia
without them even bieng hostile, they just smile at us.
Recognition will make it a more equal relationship, and so ethiopia does not need or want our recognition.

Galol 50 years is along time, i would give it 10 years.
Thats gives a 2 more years for this transtional government, another 2 to 3 years for peace conferance number 15, by which time we will have some semi- recognition like the Palestinian Authority.

As much as you like to isolate yourself from the rest by focusing on more with what has to so with a narrow minded politick, the tendency to be part of Somalia or concentrate your info where most of Somalis gather for information is unbelievable.


Having irresistable tendency to isolate a self-made politics as seperate but then display irresistable urge to disseminate them in a public Somali forum like this makes the mind befuddled again, I mean befuddled of your deep-seated animosity.


Are you that minority to form a forum of your own and discuss your own tribal politics? It is simple! You have declared to be a seperate and independent fiefdom from Somalia, its culture, history(though you have no history to mention) and land (though you have no land to claim).

What is that bothering you? I can't believe of Cuqdad such like this so spread into a segment of Somali people.



???

This is somalinet, and its for all somalis everywhere,
and this is an issue that is of great importance to the rest of somalis.

It is you with the cuqdaad.

[quote="gurey25"]This is somalinet, and its for all somalis everywhere,
and this is an issue that is of great importance to the rest of somalis.

It is you with the cuqdaad.[/quote]


rest of somalis? Why are they important to the rest of Somalis? Are you implying Somalis do support separation?

[quote="Ducaale004"][quote="gurey25"]This is somalinet, and its for all somalis everywhere,
and this is an issue that is of great importance to the rest of somalis.

It is you with the cuqdaad.[/quote]


rest of somalis? Why are they important to the rest of Somalis? Are you implying Somalis do support separation?[/quote]

All Isaaq as Somalis do support seperation so do Gadabursi, even in your own sanaag confined clan has shown support.

If its not important than Somalia should let SL separate; you shouldn't even care what SL does if we aren't important.

Samatr, this is a recently published opinion at Wardheernews.com. If you reflect it to yourself , you'll realize where i stand viz Isaaqland.



"At a time when tribal politics has emerged as a tool of survival, it is infantile to harbor any believe that lets you imagine the possibility of your tribe at the realm of a nation to the exclusion of others."



Great idea by Nur Bahal!

Galool
You Wlcm always camoo and all point agreed

Xidigta
How many times we have told them in theory and showed them in practical
and the funny think is they dont think we are serious

Ducaale
As you mentioned in your above statement you accuse us of succeeding from the somalia.
Where was this somalia you claiming that was a country that has been created, i never heard of it and which year it was created?
I know that we never had a country called SOMALIA

[quote="Ducaale004"]Samatr, this is a recently published opinion at Wardheernews.com. If you reflect it to yourself , you'll realize where i stand viz Isaaqland.



"At a time when tribal politics has emerged as a tool of survival, it is infantile to harbor any believe that lets you imagine the possibility of your tribe at the realm of a nation to the exclusion of others."



Great idea by Nur Bahal![/quote]

If there was any union by the SL and Somalia, there would surely be chaos; whoever wants chaos test the sovereignty of SL.

There's too much bad blood between Somalis thats why separation is needed. The Somali death tolls during Ina Cabdille's campaign will be nothing compared to what would happen if another civil war breaks out.

When I hear Somaliland's detractors and naysayers, I am reminded of an old song we used to hear...

In kastoo loo baaqoo oo loo sheego barwaaqo
Dad bay meeli buktaa, buktaa,
Farxada iyo khayrka miyay ka bukaan? Haa
Beesha is raacday miyay ka bukaan? Haa
Doorashada iyo dimuqraadiyada miyay ka bukaan? Haa
Waxaan baabinay, boodhka ku aasnay baafinayaan

SKIPA


balaayo iyo baas baafinayaan

Afwaynoo dhintay baafinayaan

faqashoo bururtay baafinayaan

qudhac labaatan jiroow weligee ma aragtay am guessing yes ragii battonka futada laga gelin jiray maad ku jirtay

it was your gadabuursi master that was carrying out the orders anaga xamar aan joognay naag yahow

by the way UDUB