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Postby Steeler [Crawler2] » Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:01 am

I always do man. My argument runs like this:

Southern Somalia is a political basket case that the Isaaq can not fix. You can not expect them to join a place with no governance.

Somaliland governance is one of the most democratic in Africa. Certainly more so than Ethiopias with whom we have diplomatic relations.

I do think recognition to be temporary until Southern Somalia can establish a recogniyed government. At which point Somaliland needs to join, at least some sort of confederacy.

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Postby guledy » Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:34 am

Mad Mac,you hit the nail on the head when you rightly pointed out that there is nothing for somaliland to join,efter three years of conferences and a final agreement there is still no government but more of the usual,killings and more weapons in the hands of the warlords.I sympathize with the people of the south because of all the hardships brought upon them by the selfserving warlords who care for no one other than their power and gain.It hurts to see fellow somalis being denied the basics of life by ignorant and unscrupulous murderers.Each week that these warlords keep their power is a week lost by the people in terms of health,education for their children and a lost week for living a normal life.
Yet whenever somaliland is mentioned some people react negatively,so my question is to those,WOULD IT SOLVE SOMALIA'S PROBLEMS IF SOMALILAND FELL APART AS SOMALIA HAS?
As to cofederecy,somaliland made the mistake of joining up once and i very much doubt it if they would be willing to join up with any other country.

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Postby Steeler [Crawler2] » Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:37 am

Guledy
I don't think they have a choice. The world is going to be really reluctant to give Somaliland unrestricted recognition for reasons that have nothing to do with Somalia or Somaliland at all.

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Postby Dhaga Bacayl » Mon Sep 26, 2005 9:49 am

[quote="guledy"]WOULD IT SOLVE SOMALIA'S PROBLEMS IF SOMALILAND FELL APART AS SOMALIA HAS?
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Guledy

I have the same question!

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Postby guledy » Mon Sep 26, 2005 10:10 am

"Somaliland governance is one of the most democratic in Africa. Certainly more so than Ethiopias with whom we have diplomatic relations"
Mad Mac,having written the above, which i agree with,what would be the reason of not recognising somaliland? Do you think the un-democratic arab union's opinion should be worth listening to? As to the AU,if they were to be believable they should have been turning every stone to come to grips with the corruption bedeviling the continent,yet that hasn't been their priority,if am not mistaken the au bigwigs were asking the west to set them an army,most probably they were dreaming of having military parades when they go calling on one another.

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Postby gurey25 » Mon Sep 26, 2005 12:30 pm

[quote="MAD MAC"]Guledy
I don't think they have a choice. The world is going to be really reluctant to give Somaliland unrestricted recognition for reasons that have nothing to do with Somalia or Somaliland at all.[/quote]

You know what?
That could be a good thing, in our favour.
Unrestricted recognition will be followed by billions of dollars of aid and IFMism , meaning that most of it will go to the politicians and fuel conflict.
some sort of semi recognition for the next few years would be a good idea
as we could use the time to build a more robust state, that can survive the harmfull effects of foriegn aid.

As for reuniting with the south,
yeah right , about as likely as lebenon uniting with Syria.

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Postby guledy » Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:23 pm

gurey25,good point,we are after all an african nation with corruption and abuse of power that could easily get out of hand. The important thing now is to get through the elections with no accusations of unfairness from anyone.

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Postby gurey25 » Mon Sep 26, 2005 1:31 pm

speaking about elections,
the next couple of weeks will be really interesting

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Postby Steeler [Crawler2] » Mon Sep 26, 2005 2:08 pm

Gurey
Well man, you are right about the aide. The one place Somaliland really needs some help, and I hope they get it, is with education. Funding for education is a must.

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Postby LionHeart-112 » Tue Sep 27, 2005 1:15 am

Gurey---so u know they were terrorists for sure? To you, arresting clergymen for no reason is not a big deal as long the elections go on?...

Hormood--what makes you think i'm anti-SL? I'm anti-kaafirs and kaafir loving.

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Postby gurey25 » Tue Sep 27, 2005 7:22 am

[quote="LionHeart-112"]Gurey---so u know they were terrorists for sure? To you, arresting clergymen for no reason is not a big deal as long the elections go on?...

Hormood--what makes you think i'm anti-SL? I'm anti-kaafirs and kaafir loving.[/quote]

No i dont believe everything i see or hear, maybe they are not terrorists
maybe this government has something against them?
I hope they get a fair trail.
But lionheart there are terrosists in somaliland,
ansd they should be dealt with.

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Postby Galol » Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:05 am

Mad Mac

Lets get this straight: Somaliland will never again join Somalia. Recognition or not. that is history and Somalis need to understand this and move on.

At the moment teh only thing our Somali brothers agree on is that Somaliland shall not go. It has and it will never come back even if all the gods of the world demand us to. Reason? Simple: we tried union for 30 years and came out of it worse off than before we joined. We got nothing from the dastardly Southerners except betrayal, corruption, thuggery, truffo, wqalays and qiyaamo. Somalilanders knew things were not going to be good shortly after they so generously handed over their freedom. The Southern bstrads simply helped themselves to the government: the President, Speaker, Prime Minister and the ministers of Foreign, defense, internal and finance were all given to the South. In fact the whole of teh Somaliland government was given teh Education portfolio which Egal turned down in disgust.

Then we saw how sly and corrupt the southerners can get during the refrendum of 1961 to confirm the union. Somalilanders voted against by majority but the Southerners cheated on a grand scale claiming that thousands of voters said `Yes' in one cow and tape-worm southern villages like Adan Yabal and Wanlaweyn. No wonder teh Northners saw the flooding of Wanlaweyn few weeks later as divine retribution

"oh the grand god that flooded wallaweyn....accept the whole [southern] ministers next week as gift from us"(Allahii Wallweyn webiga ku darow, wigganna naga ho Wasiirrada)

Somalialnders named the whole Southern people after this betrayal town hence the name Wallaweyn and what it means to Landers: truffo, khiyaamo, thuggery, cherrymandering, corruption.

Things only got better for a very bried period in the 70s when there was hope of half-decent government. And then everything collapsed.

Take for example Burao. In 1968 it had running water, electricity top quality schools including `Boarding' ones, seven high quality football teams, five petrol stations(Total, Mobil, Shell, Agip, Fina) and two police stations. The streets were so well lit and so spotlessly clean you could eat off the pavements. Its airport was the third biggest in Somaliland and International with both Al-Yemda and BOAC as well as Somali Airlines having weekly flights. It even had a limited landline telephone system although you have to go through an operator to connect

By 1980 after 20 years of union with the south the water, ectricity and telephones were gone. The roads were pot-holed and dirty and the football teams were either all dead or dying because the sponsors(Nissan, Isuzu, Coca-Cola, Mobil etc) were told to leave by the Southern government. The boarding schools were all shut. Of the five petrol stations only Agip operated because of its Italian southern connections. The airoprt was dusty and almoost abandoned except for corrupt Southern politicians flying-in to indulge in a bit of looting of the Burawis.

We did have one area of exponential growth: Burao now boasted twelve Police Stations all manned by Southern officers with specific orders to arrest, torture and ransom Burawis at will.

No surprise then that landers have no short-term plans of rejoining the south. In fact they will never join - guaranteed.

Of course the racist world will never recognise Somaliland because well the world is run by racists(how else can you justify that 15 countries in Europe teh majority of them SMALLER than Somalialand have been recognised in teh last fifteen years although some of then have never been countries?).

But to paraphrase Bhutto we will eat grass, we will go hungry but we will never ever ever have our affairs run by Wallawweyn again.

The wallos need to get this through heads and move on.

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Postby S_lander-boy » Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:14 am

Galol your not wanted in Somaliland lil kids will trow rocks at you you if they knew your against islam and hate the Somali culture you are nothing over there so do us all a favor dont involve yourself with somalis and somaliland cuz believe me the somalis over there will eat you alive and you know it bastard
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Postby gurey25 » Tue Sep 27, 2005 8:17 am

Very Happy
Galol another eloquent post.
Well put.

"But to paraphrase Bhutto we will eat grass, we will go hungry but we will never ever ever have our affairs run by Wallawweyn again.
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Postby kambuli » Tue Sep 27, 2005 10:37 am

Please.................. ha naga tegina.......... Sad Sad Sad Sad


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