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[quote=">..FeiSty Madame..<"] If a woman is walking around half naked then she's simply asking to be raped or harrassed! .[/quote]



HOLY SMOKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rape is premeditated act. The rapist at least thinks about raping before he rapes. It is not impulse or oppurtunity-permitting type crime.

NO WOMAN DESERVES TO BE RAPED FOR HOW SHE DRESSES. HOW CAN YOU, AS A WOMAN, SAY IT IS OK FOR WOMAN TO GET RAPPED FOR HOW THEY DRESS.

AND WHAT IS PROPER CLOTHING ANYWAY?

DO YOU KNOW STUDIES HAVE SHOWN RAPIST LION'S SHARE OF VICTIMS ARE NORMAL WOMEN AND NOT AS COMMONLY BELIEVED SCANDLY DRESSED FEMALES.

ALSO, WOMAN IN ISLAMIC COUNTRIES, DRESSED IN HIJABS AND ALL, GET RAPPED. HIJAB IS NOT A CAGE OR SUBSTITUTE FOR LAW!

[quote="Gogarad"]I replied cuz I WANTED and FELT like replying. ..Afkaga qadhmuun Islaam and Muslimiinta ka dhiig yarow...[/quote]

If you can't take it, don't dish it then

This fag gets a special kick out of fighting with women.......Loser..

stop the lies and posting fabricated pictures...that woman aint somali.

[quote=">..FeiSty Madame..<"]DanGirl, nice topic, thanks for that walalo. Ilaahay kheyr ha ku siiyo.

Atleast I'll stay safe from nasty, horny men with loose hands by wearing my hijaab and covering myself. If a woman is walking around half naked then she's simply asking to be raped or harrassed! Why would I even degrade myself by showing all my body parts? And it doesn't matter whether these Western folks agree or not agree, what counts is what Allah (swt) thinks of you. I'd rather please Him than some doofaar eating gaal .[/quote]

Jazakum'Allahu kairan sis:)

People should ask themselves a very straightforward question. Who am I going to fear? These strangers who I know not or Allah?

Chilli (sorry for the tardy response)
The reason I object to state religion is simple - everyone who isn't a member of that religion is prejudiced against.

Let's suppose the United States adopted Christianity as a state religion. In school all of the children were required to say the lords prayer before class. Chrisitanity was taught in school (and was the only religion taught in school). Private schools were not allowed excpet Christian ones. Non-Christians had to pay a special tax. To be a government official you had to be a Christian.

Now, you are a refugee from Somalia (theoreticaly here - stay with me). Your kids are getting a Christian education, your being exposed to Christianity in all aspects of public life. How would you like that? Worse yet, say you were born in America to Muslim parents. Then you would like it even less.

That is why many Islamic scholars are actually secularist (little known fact). Because a LOT of Muslims live in countries where they are the majority and are well aware that state sponsored religion leads to disenfrachnisement.

[quote="DANGIRL"]Assalamu Alaikum:)


"Why do Muslim women have to cover their heads?" This question is one which is asked by Muslims and non-Muslims alike. For many women it is the truest test of being a Muslim.

The answer to the question is very simple - Muslim women observe HIJAB (covering the head and the body) because Allah has told them to do so.

"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them (when they go out or are among men). That is better in order that they may be known (to be Muslims) and not annoyed..." (Qur'an 33:59)



A Muslim woman who covers her head is making a statement about her identity. Anyone who sees her will know that she is a Muslim and has a good moral character. Many Muslim women who cover are filled with dignity and self esteem; they are pleased to be identified as a Muslim woman. As a chaste, modest, pure woman, she does not want her sexuality to enter into interactions with men in the smallest degree. A woman who covers herself is concealing her sexuality but allowing her femininity to be brought out.


Salaam:)[/quote]

Wacalaykum Salam,

Dangirl...Jazakum'Allahu Kairan for sharing that with us sister

((Chilli (sorry for the tardy response)
The reason I object to state religion is simple - everyone who isn't a member of that religion is prejudiced against.

Let's suppose the United States adopted Christianity as a state religion. In school all of the children were required to say the lords prayer before class. Chrisitanity was taught in school (and was the only religion taught in school). Private schools were not allowed excpet Christian ones. Non-Christians had to pay a special tax. To be a government official you had to be a Christian.

Now, you are a refugee from Somalia (theoreticaly here - stay with me). Your kids are getting a Christian education, your being exposed to Christianity in all aspects of public life. How would you like that? Worse yet, say you were born in America to Muslim parents. Then you would like it even less.

That is why many Islamic scholars are actually secularist (little known fact). Because a LOT of Muslims live in countries where they are the majority and are well aware that state sponsored religion leads to disenfranchisement.))

Ok I totally agree when you’re coming from that perspective, and we have the evidence in the history of Christianity in Europe.
But may I emphasis this Islam is not your everyday religion, I even object to it being called that.
I personally strongly disagree with secularisation, undermining religion, its empty of value….i know it opens doors to pluralism, but in no way does it kill prejudice, I see it everyday, prejudice is human nature nothing to do with religion or Islam. In fact the table is turned secular society is prejudice against religion (France is a good example)
Islamic scholars can’t be secularist, that’s insult from my view, how could they say Islam is insignificant so brush it under the carpet with rest of ‘religions’??
Without Religion our social system today wouldn’t exist, but its still flaw and Islam is needed to be added to make it perfect (Islam in its pure form)
A secular state kills religion, leaving an empty shell, and a world without religion is…chaos
a secular society does have some good principles, Its open and accommodates every1 that notion could be applied with a 1 dominate religion...

Chilli
Don't you see the conflict in your last statement. You claim to understand the point and advantages of secularism and then disregard it. Islam is, by definition, a religion. It claims divine inspiration. You can not engage in legitimate debate with others and then claim as the foundation of your argument "Well, you are right, but my religion is the one true religion, all you other guys are wrong, so a religious state is the right way but it has to be an Islamic religious state." This is the same argument that Jews make when they say that God gave them modern day Palestine. It is not a legítimate argument. It claims that God is on my side, and therefore anything anyone else has to say and anything anyone else believes is not legitimate. The result is exactly what some Islamic scholars have cited, that you end up with a society in chaos BECAUSE everyone is trying to impose his religious point of view on everyone else.

Islam is a religion..yes..but it's more than just set of DO's and Don't's...It's a way of life that emcompasses social, economical, political and religious issues.

That's why we don't go to the mosque once a week and raise our hands in side way motion.

Lion
Do yourself a favor and get rid of that avatar. Just some friendly advice.

Read the whole thread and try and follow the logic train here. You're a smart guy right? Think through what you are saying.

Mad Mac--Do has a favor and shut the hell up for a second.You clearly aint making sense whatsoever. just some friendly advise.

In 1970, prominent Egyptian religious scholar Muhammad al-Nuwayhi published several articles latercombined into a book called "Nahwa thawra fi al-fikr al-dini." In it he makes the following assertions:

1. Islam does not grant any special group the right to monopolize interpretation of its teachings or the representation of the community of Muslims.
2. Islam does not offer a final, comlete order for human society that is not subject to change.
3. Most Islamic worldly laws and rules enacted by early legislators were derived from codes of conquored countries and not from the Qur'an or the Traditions (Hadith).
4. Qur'anic laws are not all equally binding.
5. Some binding Qur'anic laws at the time of the Prophet were eliminated in latter periods, even as early as the second Caliph, Omar Ibn al-Khattab. Thus, legislation concerning worldly affairs was not meant to be eternal, literal or unchangeable. The principle of "community interests" is at the root of all legislation.


You guys talk as if Islamic thought were monolithic. It is not.

^^Here something to sink into your tiny brian dumbass.You can say anything you like about Islam,but at the end of the day its Islam thats gonna have the finally saying!

Dany
That is incorrect.

^^So are you!