Somali hero Ahmed Gurey rare videos

[Waqooyism]

Bilis,

Since when did Wikipedia became the holy text of history?

What they say is not accurate. Gran was an Arab who was born there and you have to know Habesha and Arabs had relationship including business long before Islam and the Sahaba.

Remember Habesha colonized or ruled all of the Horn and Yemen. Many Arabs were Habesha colony or citizens.

Many of them freely lived all over Habesha. This is what Somalis don't understand. They think Arabs began arriving in the Horn in the 12th century with "Sheikh Isaxaaq" and Sheikh "Darod". This is bogus history.

Arab merchants always traded with Abyssinia since its foundation. Learn the Quran kids.

Then Habesha were men of deen while the Arabs worshiped idols. Remember when the Arab disrespected the Habesha holy site and the Habesha Emperor vowed revenge and tried to invade the Kah'ba. Allah protected the Kah'ba from the Habesha invaders because it was the house of worshiping of Nabi Ibrahim (CS) not because Arabs were Muslims.

Arabs used the Kah'ba for the wrong reasons.

Habesha know their history and they know if Gran was an Arab, they have documented and written history unlike Somali nomads.

Habesha civilization







One of the oldest Mosques in the world (Negash)





Religion aside, even European/Arab/Chinese empires couldn't build this during the era it was built.





Their art/painting



Somalis still building homes from sticks and fo'kin plastic bags.

[Bilis]

@Waqooyism

What an utter bunch of nonsense!

Fact #1: No historical source describes Ahmed Gurey as Habesha or Arab. Only a few Habesha documents do, and these are not taken seriously by mainstream scholars because they are both self-serving and contradict each other.

Fact #2: The Futuh al-Habash -- written by Ahmed Gurey's personal biographer -- states plainly that most of Gurey's entourage was Somali, including his in-laws and the majority of his troops.

Fact #3 The Futuh mentions the Somali clans by name.

Fact #4: The rock-hewn churches of Lalibela in Ethiopia, which you've posted above, were built by Gebre Mesqel Lalibela. He was an Agaw (Cushitic), not an Abyssinian. "Lalibela" itself, in fact, means "the bees recognise his sovereignty" in Old Agaw.

These rock-hewn churches were the greatest architectural contribution of Lalibela's Agaw Zagwe Dynasty, not the mythical Solomonic Dynasty.

Fact #5: The Gondar castles were built by the Portuguese in typical European fashion. That includes the much-vaunted Fasilides Castle.

Fact #6: All Horn populations have had intimate dealings with Gulf Arabs. The main difference between the Somali vs. Abyssinian relations with the Gulf Arabs is that the Somali dealings were more frequently on allied terms. This is chiefly due to the fact that both parties were Muslim. As an example, after Sultan Yusuf Ali Kenadid was exiled to Yemen, he returned with several hundred gunmen from Hadhramaut to subdue the Hiraab Imamate.

Fact #7: All Horn societies (except for the Ethiopian Nilotic ones) have their urban and rural classes. There is, of course, no shame in the rural/miyi nomadic culture. Just don't try and pretend that that is the extent of Somali or Cushitic civilization, while the Habesha are all by contrast urban and civilized. Most Habesha were traditionally peasant farmers, dear fellow. Or did you think that they were all rulers?

A traditional Habesha hut, the tukul:



Fact #8: The Somali Sultans kept records too, albeit in the Arabic script (Wadaad's writing).

Fact #9: The Ge'ez script is derived from old Semitic scripts. It was not an independent invention.

Fact #10: Somalis have their own ancient writing script. Unlike just about all Semitic-derived scripts, it has vowel representation too.

[Bilis]

Some Somali urban/magaal architecture...

Ruins of the Sultanate of Adal in Zeila:




Qandala castle town:



Majeerteen Sultanate forts and castles:

Hafun


Aluula


Bargaal


Sultanate of Hobyo fort:



Dervish Taleh forts:

[Typhoon]

Some people took Siad Barre's clan propaganda too serious. You have to have evidence, do you guys even live there, what is the chance of a Marehan being born there? The fact is they never even heard of Zeila before Siad Barre or Dir clan or Ahmad Gurey or even Adal. To this day they don't even know that Adal was Dir Kingdom and Dirirdhabe was the base of Dir (Dirirdhabe means the home of Dir).

Everything makes sense to Dir's point of view. The biggest city is called Dir'irdhabe, they still live there to this day, they are the largest population there. People under estimate the Issa population in Shinile.

The Futuh al-Habash notes that the Harti, Marehan and various Dir clans (including the Isaaq), all were prominent parts of Gurey's army. It also states that the Yibir/Yabarre and Garre were as well, in addition to a few now apparently vanished Somali clans, such as the Jairan and Mazra. The latter two groups may have been early Ogaden clans.

the isaaq was never in the jihad, there are alot of somali clans with habar magdle like abaskul, warsangeli, gadsan and laxmar

because have magadle name was mentioned doesn`t mean that the magadle mentioned in the book is isaaq habar magadle its like saying bah majerteen, how many bah majerteen are there.

as for the yohannes, don`t listen to these somali empty bravado, the war has been always between your people and mine and its was a war between two ruling families vaying for supramicy its like habsburg bourbon rivalry

first it was abadir vs Dawit I (grabdfather of emir nuur, ahmed gurey and he captured harar 13 in century)
Dawit II vs ahmed gurey(Master of the First Conquest)
Gelawdewos vs Emir nuur(Master of the Second Conquest)
mengistu VS Siyaad Barre (1977 ogaden war)

and its true ethiopians used to rule northen somalia just like they rule now and ahmed gurey conquest was because ethiopian extended themself towards berbera and zailac (just like modern times)

[hargaysaay]

typhoon are kidding me habarmagaadle took a lions share in the battle, Mataan xuseen was even a high ranking commander in gureys arms
and in the book of futuh al habash it says habar magaadle not just magaadle. dont let clan grudge distort your way of thinking thats so un germanic

[hargaysaay]

and for your information axmed gureys seat was in Zaylac againa Northern City

[Bilis]

the isaaq was never in the jihad, there are alot of somali clans with habar magdle like abaskul, warsangeli, gadsan and laxmar

because have magadle name was mentioned doesn`t mean that the magadle mentioned in the book is isaaq habar magadle its like saying bah majerteen, how many bah majerteen are there.

I didn't say anything about the Magadle, sxb. I said that the Jairan and Mazra may have been old Ogaden clans. Whatever the case, they were described in the Futuh as Somali:

Then he [the imam] tied a red standard to a spear and entrusted it to his brother-in-law Mattan bin 'Utman bin Kaled, the Somali, their chieftain, their knight, and the most courageous, the bravest of them all. There rallied to him one-hundred-and-ten knights and three-thousand infantry, along with the tribe of Harti, the tribe of Jairan and the tribe of Mazra, all of whom were Somalis.

don`t listen to these somali empty bravado

"Empty bravado" kulaha... Unfortunately, the Futuh wasn't written by a Somali.

its true ethiopians used to rule northen somalia

Actually, the Abyssinians of Al-Habash used to try and exact tribute from the actual rulers of the Bilad al-Barbar, who were ancestral Somali (the Barbar/Berber). That's what led to Gurey's jihad in the first place.

Somali history is quite complicated, Herr Typhoon. It's not a straighforward story of conquest and subjugation. It's much, much richer and more interesting than that.

[Typhoon]

typhoon are kidding me habarmagaadle took a lions share in the battle, Mataan xuseen was even a high ranking commander in gureys arms
and in the book of futuh al habash it says habar magaadle not just magaadle. dont let clan grudge distort your way of thinking thats so un germanic

We are going by assumptions and similarities of names

We have shown how ahmed gurey is marexaan in the marexaan abtirisi and showed corrponding documents
We have shown how emir hirabu fits in the marexaan genealogy
so far habar magadle we just assumed that it may be the same as current habar magade

Show me in the isaaq abtirisi how the mentioned isaaq chieftains fit in the current habar magadle genealogy
I believe the habar magadle in futux al habash and habar magdle isaaq are not the same after all sheik isaaq arrived in somalia 14 century are you telling me he fathered entire clan by 1500 century don`t be silly

habar magadle laga hadlayo wa gadsan and laxmar they are called together habar magadle after magadle of sanaag

[Waqooyism]

Magaado or Magadle is the Dir mother of Sheikh Isaxaaq's kids (Ayub, Awal, Garhajis and Arab) while Habusheed (the Habesha mother) had Mohamed, Ibrahim, Imran and Musa for Sheikh Isaxaaq and was his first wife. The half Habashi kids later became Habar Jelo and Magaado is still Habar Magaado.

I just like when Dooros run around with their Siad Barre propaganda and think thats history and try to act like they even know Isaaq.

Sheikh Isaxaaq was one of many Arabs who lived under Habashi rule and it was not until the 6th century that they were expelled from most parts Southern Arabia (Yemen, most parts of Oman, Saudi Arabia). This was led by Ibn Dhi Yazan and he got assistance from Persian King Khusraw Anushirwan.

But they still ruled the Horn of Africa and most part of Yemen until the 13th century. Isaaq began his family in the 12th century and he always lived amongst the Abyssinian and this why he was able to meet his first wife which was Habesha in the very east (now Somaliland). This region was very much part of Aksumite Kingdom.

Sheikh Isaxaaq was very much assimilated into Habesha culture and Habesha was very tolerate kingdom. He was not the first Sheikh to live under them. Hundreds of not millions did from Aksum to the very corners of present Eritrea all the way to southern Yemen.

Habesha have long long long history of coexisting Muslims even thousands of years before Mohammad (SCW). Remember those people were considered Muslims.

Habasha empire pre-dates Nabi Issa (CS).

The Arabs very much respected the Aksumite and it was considered one of three greatest empires along with Romans and the Ancient Egyptians.

Isaaq never arrived in "Somalia" as the Siad Barre history claims. Isaaq was an Arab who lived within Aksumite vast Kingdom and he was not restricted to "Somaliland"---but travelled all over the Kingdom from Aksumite capital Aksum to the very corners of Southern Yemen.

It's like saying Ogadens under Habesha rule now are restricted to Dhagahbur of course not they can go live in Addis Ababa, Moyale or even Mekele if they want and have the Ethiopian citizenship papers.

[Typhoon]

the isaaq was never in the jihad, there are alot of somali clans with habar magdle like abaskul, warsangeli, gadsan and laxmar

because have magadle name was mentioned doesn`t mean that the magadle mentioned in the book is isaaq habar magadle its like saying bah majerteen, how many bah majerteen are there.

I didn't say anything about the Magadle, sxb. I said that the Jairan and Mazra may have been old Ogaden clans. Whatever the case, they were described in the Futuh as Somali:

Then he [the imam] tied a red standard to a spear and entrusted it to his brother-in-law Mattan bin 'Utman bin Kaled, the Somali, their chieftain, their knight, and the most courageous, the bravest of them all. There rallied to him one-hundred-and-ten knights and three-thousand infantry, along with the tribe of Harti, the tribe of Jairan and the tribe of Mazra, all of whom were Somalis.

don`t listen to these somali empty bravado

"Empty bravado" kulaha... Unfortunately, the Futuh wasn't written by a Somali.

its true ethiopians used to rule northen somalia

Actually, the Abyssinians of Al-Habash used to try and exact tribute from the actual rulers of the Bilad al-Barbar, who were ancestral Somali (the Barbar/Berber). That's what led to Gurey's jihad in the first place.

Somali history is quite complicated, Herr Typhoon. It's not a straighforward story of conquest and subjugation. It's much, much richer and more interesting than that.

saxib somali wax la dhaho ma jiro tariqdan wa tariqda ethnic jubalanders the rest were soundtrack to our movie hence our domination of the conquest leadership ( dr james dhall says that walashama dynasty was ogadeen which i totally agree)

now as far as Ethiopia, i am the preeminent expert on the habash and their bastard origin
viewtopic.php?f=26&t=310782

[Typhoon]

Magaado or Magadle is the Dir mother of Sheikh Isaxaaq's kids (Ayub, Awal, Garhajis and Arab) while Habusheed (the Habesha mother) had Mohamed, Ibrahim, Imran and Musa for Sheikh Isaxaaq and was his first wife. The half Habashi kids later became Habar Jelo and Magaado is still Habar Magaado.

I just like when Dooros run around with their Siad Barre propaganda and think thats history and try to act like they even know Isaaq.

Sheikh Isaxaaq was one of many Arabs who lived under Habashi rule and it was not until the 6th century that they were expelled from most parts Southern Arabia (Yemen, most parts of Oman, Saudi Arabia). This was led by Ibn Dhi Yazan and he got assistance from Persian King Khusraw Anushirwan.

But they still ruled the Horn of Africa and most part of Yemen until the 13th century. Isaaq began his family in the 12th century and he always lived amongst the Abyssinian and this why he was able to meet his first wife which was Habesha in the very east (now Somaliland). This region was very much part of Aksumite Kingdom.

Sheikh Isaxaaq was very much assimilated into Habesha culture and Habesha was very tolerate kingdom. He was not the first Sheikh to live under them. Hundreds of not millions did from Aksum to the very corners of present Eritrea all the way to southern Yemen.

Habesha have long long long history of coexisting Muslims even thousands of years before Mohammad (SCW). Remember those people were considered Muslims.

Habasha empire pre-dates Nabi Issa (CS).

The Arabs very much respected the Aksumite and it was considered one of three greatest empires along with Romans and the Ancient Egyptians.

Isaaq never arrived in "Somalia" as the Siad Barre history claims. Isaaq was an Arab who lived within Aksumite vast Kingdom and he was not restricted to "Somaliland"---but travelled all over the Kingdom from Aksumite capital Aksum to the very corners of Southern Yemen.

It's like saying Ogadens under Habesha rule now are restricted to Dhagahbur of course not they can go live in Addis Ababa, Moyale or even Mekele if they want and have the Ethiopian citizenship papers.

sirti ku qarsanayd maanta bay so baxday walle, amxaarka tahay was

[Waqooyism]

Typhoon,

Ethiopia is more than 80 different ethnic groups and nationalities like the great United States not like nomadic Somalia that only exists on papers where few nomads can't fix their plastic huts.

I don't need to be Amara to be an Ethiopian.

No calacaal naaya.

Your running around with propaganda from Siad Barre and the Kacaan and think that's history. When that's being challenged with the real facts your getting all sensitive on me like naag walaacdaay.

Aksumite produced its own coins in the 2nd century (200 years after Nabi Issa was raised up).

The Empire of Axum developed its own alphabet: the Ge’ez alphabet (which evolved from Epigraphic South Arabian). It was modified to include vowels.

Axum was the first African country to issue its own coins. From approximately 270 until 610, they minted coins of gold, silver, and bronze which bore legends in Ge’ez and Greek. The coins simplified trade and were also a useful instrument of propaganda. Most of Aksum's coins had mottoes such as "May the country be satisfied," and "Joy to the People." These were clearly attempts to make the government popular with the people.

To this day Somalis of Somalia don't even know the definition of a 'country' and some are wondering why Addis Ababa dominates them.

[hargaysaay]

typhoon are kidding me habarmagaadle took a lions share in the battle, Mataan xuseen was even a high ranking commander in gureys arms
and in the book of futuh al habash it says habar magaadle not just magaadle. dont let clan grudge distort your way of thinking thats so un germanic

We are going by assumptions and similarities of names

We have shown how ahmed gurey is marexaan in the marexaan abtirisi and showed corrponding documents
We have shown how emir hirabu fits in the marexaan genealogy
so far habar magadle we just assumed that it may be the same as current habar magade

Show me in the isaaq abtirisi how the mentioned isaaq chieftains fit in the current habar magadle genealogy
I believe the habar magadle in futux al habash and habar magdle isaaq are not the same after all sheik isaaq arrived in somalia 14 century are you telling me he fathered entire clan by 1500 century don`t be silly

habar magadle laga hadlayo wa gadsan and laxmar they are called together habar magadle after magadle of sanaag

well i only heard of matan xuseen if i tell you i heard others then iam lying because i did not, their is only one clan named habar magaadle just like there is only one marexaan so no reason for assumptions

here is the abtirsi of matan xuseen

matan
xuseen
abokor
cabdiraxman
muuse
dauud
ismaciil
Sheekh Isxaaq

[Waqooyism]

Habar Magaadle is Habar awal, Garhajis, Ayub and Arab. The sons that still live in Adal area and Ethiopia with Issa, Gadabursi---which were the army of the Arab leader. Marehan fa'gs should first be visible here then claim. It's like Russia saying they used to rule England but there is no sign of them...

To this day Marehan is the least developed Somalis.

Their largest town (Abudwaq)



They never seen buildings before Siad Barre.

[Typhoon]

typhoon are kidding me habarmagaadle took a lions share in the battle, Mataan xuseen was even a high ranking commander in gureys arms
and in the book of futuh al habash it says habar magaadle not just magaadle. dont let clan grudge distort your way of thinking thats so un germanic

We are going by assumptions and similarities of names

We have shown how ahmed gurey is marexaan in the marexaan abtirisi and showed corrponding documents
We have shown how emir hirabu fits in the marexaan genealogy
so far habar magadle we just assumed that it may be the same as current habar magade

Show me in the isaaq abtirisi how the mentioned isaaq chieftains fit in the current habar magadle genealogy
I believe the habar magadle in futux al habash and habar magdle isaaq are not the same after all sheik isaaq arrived in somalia 14 century are you telling me he fathered entire clan by 1500 century don`t be silly

habar magadle laga hadlayo wa gadsan and laxmar they are called together habar magadle after magadle of sanaag

well i only heard of matan xuseen if i tell you i heard others then iam lying because i did not, their is only one clan named habar magaadle just like there is only one marexaan so no reason for assumptions

here is the abtirsi of matan xuseen

matan
xuseen
abokor
cabdiraxman
muuse
dauud
ismaciil
Sheekh Isxaaq

sheik isaaq arrived 1400 century and by 15 century habar magadle could provide 500 men ciidan, i guess they didn`t spare the crippled and the blind to boost those numbers

hargeisawi ha na waalin saxib the maths of isaaq in the conquest of Abyssinia don`t add up

cidagale took a heroic and honorable part in the jihad, saladanada cidagale wagaas ba la dhishay