Somali hero Ahmed Gurey rare videos

[Typhoon]

Habar Magaadle is Habar awal, Garhajis, Ayub and Arab. The sons that still live in Adal area and Ethiopia with Issa, Gadabursi---which were the army of the Arab leader. Marehan fa'gs should first be visible here then claim. It's like Russia saying they used to rule England but there is no sign of them...

To this day Marehan is the least developed Somalis.

Their largest town (Abudwaq)



They never seen buildings before Siad Barre.

you bitter and angry, we make history you debate our history

[Meyle]

How can Axmed Gurey be Marexaan when Abdirahman al Jeberti, their alleged ancestor lived during these years? How does a clan preceed its ancestor? The man was most likely Dir. If you read some of the other documents regarding Axmed Gurey, its says he was Belew (Beja+Arab).

[Waqooyism]

Sheikh Isaxaaq never arrived in Somaliland. He lived in Abyssinia/Aksumites which included present day Somaliland, Southern Yemen, Eritrea, Djibouti and many parts of Ethiopia.

The Sheikh started his family in the 12th century in his native homeland and the Habesha Empire declined over the years and nomadism replaced the ones thriving African Empire. Back then there was no ethnicity, race or tribalism. You were either a Muslim or Christian. The Empire referred to anyone that was Muslim as "Arab" and these included Habasha Muslims etc. Both Amara and Tigrayan are very newly created race/ethnics same way 'Somali' was also new to the region.

Before the Tigrayan and Amara founding, everyone was either "Arab" or Ge'ez (Semitic) people who later became Tigrayan and Tigre before some of them left to breed with others and gave birth to Amara.

The Somali language is older than both Tigrayan and Amarinya but not older than the Ge'ez. This itself proves that Somalis are no new immigrants to the Horn as some like to claim.

The horn of Africa people are related in this sense and were later separated by faith and shifting politics, economic factors and the rise of 'race'.

[Khalid Ali]

Yohannes they are not habesha i have been to harar few times and i have some fam members prominent sheikhs who were part of our families for centuries and these people call themselves adari hareri the Ethiopians captured their land in the late 19 century.They have all kind of admixture ofcourse i believe there might be some highlanders who got mixed up in the region but the vast majority of the people are not habash whats the definition of habash speaking a Semitic language,aderi have turkish in them some have somali and there are oromo, but they speak a semiotic language , which doesnt make them habash. Habash is strictly Amhara Tigrai gurage, the Eritreans deny this cultural association.

[hargaysaay]

typhoon bro ur confusing me here on one hand your implying that ciidagale took part of the jihad while sidelining other habar magadles, we were either all in or out of the blessed jihaad, isaaq was too small to go beyond habar magadle-habar xabuusho sub divisions in those days .

[Typhoon]

How can Axmed Gurey be Marexaan when Abdirahman al Jeberti, their alleged ancestor lived during these years? How does a clan preceed its ancestor? The man was most likely Dir. If you read some of the other documents regarding Axmed Gurey, its says he was Belew (Beja+Arab).

idoorku think if ahmed gurey is dir then we might be related because we are dir though...what a bunch a cowards claim the guy otherwise shit the fuk

only marexaan can show 3 name abtirisi of ahmed gurey in their genealogy

ahmed ibrahim mataan(reer garaad)
nuur yusuf mataan(emir nuur/ina nuur)

0:36 imam ahmed ibrahim mataan (outch I can feel your jealousy from here)
our former compatriots in ethiopia remember us know wonder we wanted to liberate the somali abo, this remind me when the people of mogadishu cry for kacaankii ( men we make so much history we need a library)

[Typhoon]

typhoon bro ur confusing me here on one hand your implying that ciidagale took part of the jihad while sidelining other habar magadles, we were either all in or out of the blessed jihaad, isaaq was too small to go beyond habar magadle-habar xabuusho sub divisions in those days .

hargaysawi you don`t follow regularly the teachings of Herr Eaglehawk
hargeisawi you are full blooded noble somali, it was your suldaan in shirki carte ku daray idoor dir
saldanada idoor wa adi so ma ogid and that saldanad originated in harar during the time we are talking about.

There is no idoor suldaan that can out abtirisi you in terms of royality suldanka reer guleed can pass 1700 no other idoor can do that (how did cidagale become so preeminent)
Hargeisawi hawiyaha, idoorka iyo raxanwayntaan ha isla simin , adi waxa tahay dadkii hore, DHALAD SOMALIYED! wiil cidagale bargab geel ku dhaarta ba tahay, dadkan beerlayda iyo aryaha i wata naaga da




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idoor wagashe
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[Waqooyism]

Khalid,

In the modern times, Habesha refers to the Semitic Solomonic people which are mainly the Tigrayans, Gurage, Tigre of Eritrea and Amara but it's not accurate. Eritreans do not consider themselves Habesha even though many of them separated from the Tigrayan people over the last thousands of years.

This is very complex subject because Habesha was everyone in the Horn in the old days but today it became synonymous with those highlanders because of the base of Habesha, because they kept the written language, because they were the leaders of those days.

But there is leadership and citizen. Today we can't say Obama's descendants are the only Americans it should be all citizens of future US.

The Jaberti, Saho and even Bilen are very close to Tigre and Tigre is a sister ethnic of the Tigrayan Tembien. These groups are much closer to the Tigrayans than the Amara and remember the original Aksumites were Tigrayans (rulers/royal family).

Remember old Abyssinia did not have ethnicity nor race and no one truly knows who was Amara, Tigrayan or 'Eritrean'. They had a Kingdom that ruled for 3000 years without any interruption. They claim that they are the sons of King Solomon (Nabi Suleiman and Shiiba/Saba).

That time there is no Tigrayan, Amara or Eritrean---everyone is just simply Abyssinian or Habesha. This Tigrayan, Amara and Eritrean talk is only very very new. Race is very new and everyone only shared one nationality back in the old days.

Today, no one truly knows which king was Amara, Tigrayan or even Oromo. The Tigrayan and Amara began their propaganda against Oromo in the recent time and label them as immigrants from Madagascar.

The Tigrayan, Amara and "Eritrean" beef only began in the 1800s when Europeans came to Africa. Some Eritreans sided with the Arab Muslims against their old country men and eventually gave themselves the nationalism Eritrean tag. These groups included the Beja, Bin Amir, Tigre, Saho, Bilen, etc. The only different ones are the Rashaida.

When Yohannes IV was killed by Beja who were part of the Mahdi army (Mahdi of Sudan), the real race/ethnic/tribal war began between Tigrayans, Tigre, Beja, Amara, Somali, Oromo, etc.

While the Tigrayans were in disarray (civil war, age of warlordism) the Amara took advantage and took the power (Menelik II), even though he was truly an Oromo but like I said no one knows the truth about who is who in Ethiopia amongst the old Abyssinians.

There is no true definition for "Habesha". As far as I am concerned, all Horn of Africans were Habesha before the birth of tribalism, race and ethnicity.

Don't take the Marehan cat and his Kacan propaganda serious. To these day Marehan remain the only Somalis with no high school forget them being leaders of yesterday. If you had leaders don't you think you would progress and draw in all the vast resources from all the lands?

Abudwaq is still a village and that speaks about their history a lot. They say the future is more of the past waiting to happen.

[Khalid Ali]

Woqoyism i agree with you but i doubt Tigre of Eritrea is close to Tigray , the Tigre language is different than the Tigrinya spoken in North Ethiopia and in the heart land of Eritrea. Xabashi is not an Ethnic group i believe its some kind Cultural association . But adari have nothing to do with Xabashi they are not Christian they do not speak Amharic not Tigrinya not Tigre . They dont live in the Highland , they only thing they share with the xabashi is a Semitic language . As for the Solomonic dynasty thats just Amhara Fairytale Yekunu Amlak their first king could have possibly be an Oromo half Gurage. Ask Amhara the ancestry of Yekuno Amlak they cant tell you even the oromo claim him. I believe the Eritrean Amhara Tigray beef was long before the Italian colonial empire conquered north of Abyssinia and called it Eritrea. The Tigrays enslaved the Eritreans from the 16 century until Italian colonialism. Before the 16 century and During the Axum kingdom the Eritreans had the upper hand and the Eritreans produced allot of Axum Kings and the capital of Axum was in the heart land of Eritrea later they moved to Axum. But when bahr Yeshaq was defeated by the Amhara Kings of Gonder, The Amhara kings made Tigrayans governors of Eritrea governor after governor and these Tigrayans treated the Eritreans like shit, and the Amharas did that in order to keep the balance between the Amhara and Tigray.Until the era Zemene Mesafint, and later Tewodros united all the xabashi warlords under one entity. And Yohannes snatched the seat from him and undermined him which led to the Ambush of Tewodros by the British. And Yohannes would later appoint Ras alula who would continue the enslavement of Eritreans, ras alula would build a house on top of an Asmara mountain.Thats why Eritreans hate to be called xabashis it means than that they are related to Tigray and Amhara, when they have the same names.

[bareento]

^^

Imam Ahmed and somalis ...

B.

[Khalid Ali]

Bareento oromo clans also have some communities in Harar.. Do you believe what Xabashi Yohannes claiming The people of harar as xabashis

[bareento]

Strictly no!
But Oromos consider every Semitic language speaking negro as xabashi...including yourself

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[Waqooyism]

Khalid,

I know where your coming from but there is Habesha, Abbysinian and Ethiopian. Eritreans are more Habesha than the Amara, believe it or not. All this ethnicity is very new concept that was born no longer than 17th century and even then it was a low key thing.

Somalis will never understand Habesha because our understanding of origin is always tribalism and lineage. The Habesha are very different.

Habesha is not an ethnicity or group or some kind of genotype it was a nationality/citizenship and all of the people under Abyssinia were Habesha including south Yemenis.

As when we talk about relationship, the Tigre of Eritrea are related to the Biher-Tigrinya of now Eritrea and Tigray region. The Beja of Sudan is also related to the Biher-Tigrinya and the Tigre.

The Saho, Jeberti, Bilen are all related to the Tigre. The only people that are not Habesha are Rashaida, who are pure Arabs. Meles Zenawi himself, a Biher-Tigrinya, claimed that he was Yemeni but not Yemeni Arab but Habesha Yemeni (back in the days of Habesha/Abyssinia).

Remember Habesha is the name of the country which was referred to by Ancient Greeks and Arabs (Burnt people aka dark skinned).

Eritreans are more Habesha like you said before Aksum, the capital of Habesha was in whats Eritrea today.

The British and European division of Habesha people is all relatively new.

Eritreans know they are Habesha but they feel that they modern leaders of Abyssinia abandoned them and maltreated the founders. In fact, Eritreans consider themselves the nucleus of Habesha and many of them feel it was wrong for them to separate from Ethiopia.

The secession movement was began by the Muslims and later it was hijacked by the Biher-Tigrinya of Isais Aferwerki. Remember he is the nephew of Meles and his mother was born in Adwa like Meles.

Habesha have no true separation nor definition. It is only associated with the highlanders because of the leaders, scripture (Ge'ez), their old church, capitals, civilization.

From our point of view, the Adari do not seem to be Habesha because they arrived in the Horn of Africa only in the 16th century. But history claims otherwise. We need to hear from real Adaris.

The Harari, who refer to themselves as Gey 'Usu ("People of the City") are a Semitic-speaking people once thought to be descended from an Aksumite military outpost. Their language, Harari, constitutes a Semitic pocket in a predominantly Cushitic-speaking region. Originally written in the Arabic script, the Harari language has recently converted to the Ge'ez alphabet.

[djibsomali]

GADA Bursi legacy looting alert!!!!!!

[DonCorleone]

As a hawiye I even knew Ahmed gurey was dir irir samaroon is the clan I believe , since they are like 90 percent of awdal harawo etc.... Fck off shegatos gurey was dir, just deal with it.