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moron.. subnallah qaldaan(wrong) is the perfect WordKhalid,
In the modern times, Habesha refers to the Semitic Solomonic people which are mainly the Tigrayans, Gurage, Tigre of Eritrea and Amara but it's not accurate. Eritreans do not consider themselves Habesha even though many of them separated from the Tigrayan people over the last thousands of years.
This is very complex subject because Habesha was everyone in the Horn in the old days but today it became synonymous with those highlanders because of the base of Habesha, because they kept the written language, because they were the leaders of those days.
But there is leadership and citizen. Today we can't say Obama's descendants are the only Americans it should be all citizens of future US.
The Jaberti, Saho and even Bilen are very close to Tigre and Tigre is a sister ethnic of the Tigrayan Tembien. These groups are much closer to the Tigrayans than the Amara and remember the original Aksumites were Tigrayans (rulers/royal family).
Remember old Abyssinia did not have ethnicity nor race and no one truly knows who was Amara, Tigrayan or 'Eritrean'. They had a Kingdom that ruled for 3000 years without any interruption. They claim that they are the sons of King Solomon (Nabi Suleiman and Shiiba/Saba).
That time there is no Tigrayan, Amara or Eritrean---everyone is just simply Abyssinian or Habesha. This Tigrayan, Amara and Eritrean talk is only very very new. Race is very new and everyone only shared one nationality back in the old days.
Today, no one truly knows which king was Amara, Tigrayan or even Oromo. The Tigrayan and Amara began their propaganda against Oromo in the recent time and label them as immigrants from Madagascar.
The Tigrayan, Amara and "Eritrean" beef only began in the 1800s when Europeans came to Africa. Some Eritreans sided with the Arab Muslims against their old country men and eventually gave themselves the nationalism Eritrean tag. These groups included the Beja, Bin Amir, Tigre, Saho, Bilen, etc. The only different ones are the Rashaida.
When Yohannes IV was killed by Beja who were part of the Mahdi army (Mahdi of Sudan), the real race/ethnic/tribal war began between Tigrayans, Tigre, Beja, Amara, Somali, Oromo, etc.
While the Tigrayans were in disarray (civil war, age of warlordism) the Amara took advantage and took the power (Menelik II), even though he was truly an Oromo but like I said no one knows the truth about who is who in Ethiopia amongst the old Abyssinians.
There is no true definition for "Habesha". As far as I am concerned, all Horn of Africans were Habesha before the birth of tribalism, race and ethnicity.
Don't take the Marehan cat and his Kacan propaganda serious. To these day Marehan remain the only Somalis with no high school forget them being leaders of yesterday. If you had leaders don't you think you would progress and draw in all the vast resources from all the lands?
Abudwaq is still a village and that speaks about their history a lot. They say the future is more of the past waiting to happen.
that guy should be banned from snet total.. --> woqoyism^^ Why is he a moron he just explained allot to Somalis brother woqoyism is very knowledgeable on Ethiopian affairs he is actually from there
Nonsense. The Adal Sultanate's first ruling dynasty was the Walashma, who were not Abyssinians. They were of Hashimite origin according to both their own Chronicle of the Walashma and Al-Maqrizi's historical testimony. Gurey was not descended from them either; he was from a different lineage.Sheikh Isaxaaq was one of many Arabs who lived under Habashi rule and it was not until the 6th century that they were expelled from most parts Southern Arabia (Yemen, most parts of Oman, Saudi Arabia). This was led by Ibn Dhi Yazan and he got assistance from Persian King Khusraw Anushirwan.
But they still ruled the Horn of Africa and most part of Yemen until the 13th century.
No. Habesha is an historically attested term. It originally referred to the Abyssinian highlanders alone:Habesha is not an ethnicity or group or some kind of genotype it was a nationality/citizenship and all of the people under Abyssinia were Habesha including south Yemenis.
The Harari are a mixture of Cushitic speakers and some Semitic speakers. Abyssinian peoples introduced the Harari language, but that language has a Sidama substratum. This suggests that the original inhabitants of the Harar area were likely Sidama:From our point of view, the Adari do not seem to be Habesha because they arrived in the Horn of Africa only in the 16th century. But history claims otherwise.
The hypothesis that the ethnogenesis of the Gurage took place on a substratum of Cushitic- speaking "Sidama" populations is common among the scholars engaged on that problem
http://books.google.com/books?id=dLJWAA ... CC4Q6AEwAA
Yes, we are well aware of that.Aksumite produced its own coins in the 2nd century (200 years after Nabi Issa was raised up).
An important point which is often lost sight of is that the ancient Somalis had evolved their own script systems which existed for a considerable period in their history. Convincing historical evidence in this respect is the numerous inscriptions and rockpaintings on cave-walls, on granite rocks, old coins etc., that are found to this day in various parts of the country.
http://books.google.com/books?id=v-GwAA ... edir_esc=y
Actually, Abdirahman bin Isma'il al-Jabarti lived in the 10th or 11th centuries. His tomb is in Haylaan, situated in the Hadaaftimo Mountains of Sanaag:Your alleged ancestor Abdirahman al Jeberti lived during these times so how can a clan precede its ancestor?
Most of Ahmed Gurey's troops were Somali. Of those, the most numerous were actually Darod, though Dir clans also participated. The Isaaq that took part were mainly Habar Magadle. This is what the Futuh itself states. From I.M. Lewis:The thing is it was us who fought the Abyssinians u had nothing to do with this history u are not from seylac you are not from harar you are not from awdal
Somali forces contributed much to the Imām’s victories. Shihab ad-Din, the Muslim chronicler of the period, writing between 1540 and 1560, mentions them frequently (Futūḥ al-Ḥabasha, ed. And trs. R. Besset Paris, 1897.). The most prominent Somali groups in the campaigns were the Samaroon or Gadabursi (Dir), Geri, Marrehān, and Harti - all Dārod clans. Shihāb d-Dīn is very vague as to their distribution and grazing areas, but describes the Harti as at the time in possession of the ancient eastern port of Mait. Of the Isāq only the Habar Magādle clan seem to have been involved and their distribution is not recorded. Finally several Dir clans also took part.
http://books.google.com/books?id=iaZxAA ... CC4Q6AEwAA
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