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The Oromo/Gaal Question

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Re: The Oromo/Gaal Question

Postby bareento » Mon Nov 25, 2013 4:54 pm

Oromo is not a real ethnic group the Gallas are of various ancestries some are habesha some are Rendile Masai some are afar. lol there is no one who has a chain of ancestors of 60 or above thats just an absurd statement. Oromo can easily be broken down in several ethnic groups.
Coming from a negro claiming being the descendant of the Prophet ... :D

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Re: The Oromo/Gaal Question

Postby James Dahl » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:32 pm

DayaxJeclee, every oromo and somali living south of jigjiga looks Bantu.

James, u reason by analogy , but there is one cardinal point that u miss...Oromos never adopt clans as a clan...they r incorporated.
I believe in the 15th and 16th century the Bareentuma was a small confederation to incorporate a formidable force like Akkichu.

One other point Mr James...in Oromo genealogy there is a clear distinction between a confederacy and clan.
Thats something difficult for u to grasp.
The Oromo confederacy syetem is something created for specific politicla system.
Before the Borana/Bareentuma confederacies there were anaother confederacy known as Tuulam/Luullam.
This old confederacy were made up of the same clans but in different configuration.
Before the Borana/Bareentuma confederacies clans like Dawaro, Galaan, Laalo existed.

The Borana/Bareentu confederacy was purposely created for political reason at Madda Walaabu (meaning fountain of Liberty).
At the time the rising Muslim and christian kingdoms were putting pressure on Oromos and oromos ofthe time had
to come up with maverick political organisation. Thats how the Odaa Bultum was founded in early 16th century and ultimately
send the fake arab sultanates to oblivion.

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Exactly, but look, Dawaro was the RULING CLAN of one of those very sultanates, in fact one of the biggest and most powerful sultanates in Ethiopia, the ally of Ifat and the Sultan of All Dir, the Sultanate of Dawaro. Dawaro ruled from the Awash and the border with Ifat all the way to Addis Ababa.

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Re: The Oromo/Gaal Question

Postby bareento » Mon Nov 25, 2013 5:35 pm

Hmm, here is where u miss the point.
Dir is fiction. and dawaro was oromo

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Re: The Oromo/Gaal Question

Postby St8OuttaDirree » Mon Nov 25, 2013 8:30 pm

Why do we keep coming back to this topic??

It's pointless.

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Re: The Oromo/Gaal Question

Postby gurey25 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:49 pm

so dawaro was oromo?
i too thought dawaro was the leading clan in the sultanate of dawaro, basically like al saud clan naming the country after themselves.

Maybe there was a disconnection between waaqist oromo and muslim oromo.

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Re: The Oromo/Gaal Question

Postby AbdiWahab252 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:59 pm

Rerdiinle are lost Dir. They speak more pure Somali than the Maaymaay & Af-Maxatiri speakers.

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Re: The Oromo/Gaal Question

Postby Bro » Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:01 pm

Hmm, here is where u miss the point.
Dir is fiction. and dawaro was oromo

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:childplease: I'm right here you fool, and what's your beef with Dir ?

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Re: The Oromo/Gaal Question

Postby Khalid Ali » Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:20 pm

Bareento this is why i like the oromos they dont get angry lol


By the way what proof do u have that dawaro was oromo

I belief akiche were originally somali and oromos incooperated them and now theyre back
One part speaks difficult somali and the others are stil speaking afaan oromo

Straight out of dire are you male or female

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Re: The Oromo/Gaal Question

Postby Bro » Mon Nov 25, 2013 11:25 pm

bareento, Akkicku is a Madaxweyn Dir clan, they were absorbed into an Oromo confederacy after the fall of th Sultanate of Dawaro. You are falling into the trap of seeing the confederacy as a genealogical group. Akkichu are genealogically Dir.
James U know I am not in the claiming business...I dont careless whether Akkichuus are oromos/somalis or bantus or watever.
But the fact is in the 15th/16th century they were considered as one of the sons of Bareentumaa.
Is he an adopted son? I doubt it.

As for your claim of Akkichu being Madaxweyne or Xaarweyne Dir , the problem is that I dont give any credibility to somali genealogy.
They r completely fake ...they r changing political construction.
I have seen in mylife time, tribes claiming arabs, dirs etc...Dir is non-existence clan...
For Gods sake , u even put Wardey in Dir...whereas its historically proven they r remnants of the Orma!!

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Who gives a flying fuk about a gallas credibility, for the last time don't attempt assimilate Akishu & Warday, sons of Madaxweyn Dir into your fake non existent clan that has been oppressed and victimized throughout the history of the horn. :pacspit:

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Re: The Oromo/Gaal Question

Postby DonCorleone » Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:19 am

bareento how old are you and are you Oromo

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Re: The Oromo/Gaal Question

Postby St8OuttaDirree » Tue Nov 26, 2013 12:40 am

Khalid, I'm a male!

Don, Bareento is an Oromo from the same subclan as me.
From what I seen on facebook, he seems to be in his early to mid 30s.

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Re: The Oromo/Gaal Question

Postby Bro » Wed Nov 27, 2013 6:00 pm

Str8Dirree aka Bareento aka Khalid Ali.
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Lets not pretend, these members are actually Oromos that pop up whenever anyone speak of oromos. :childplease:

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Re: The Oromo/Gaal Question

Postby DonCorleone » Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:18 am

Oromo practice mass adoption of clans and presumably always have done so, so it is difficult to say exactly what or even if they have a single origin. Oromo clans are confederacies, like Raxanweyn clans local groups have banded together for self defense and to support one another regardless of genealogical ties. One must tread carefully in applying the northern Somali clan system to the south and to Oromo, who use a more flexible system that sounds similar (using the same terminology) but is actually very different.

This is why Oromo clans you will often run into the same lineage, basically what would be in the northern system subclans of the same clan, split into various confederations together with other unrelated lineages who share the same region and dialect. It is all very confusing even to Oromo.

There are basically two systems, where in the north there is one system (clan and lineage are one) in the south they are two separate if related concepts.
Do you believe these 'same lineages' under diff names in Oromo are the same, cos jaarso is everywhere man, ( from what i've seen in your site)
and why do you think they broke up? Just wondering.

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Re: The Oromo/Gaal Question

Postby DonCorleone » Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:19 am

Str8Dirree aka Bareento aka Khalid Ali.
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Lets not pretend, these members are actually Oromos that pop up whenever anyone speak of oromos. :childplease:

If you are Dir, can you let me know why Jaarso,Akisho,and Gurgura and even Barsuug sheegaad Oromo, please and thank you :P

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Re: The Oromo/Gaal Question

Postby DonCorleone » Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:24 am

Khalid, I'm a male!

Don, Bareento is an Oromo from the same subclan as me.
From what I seen on facebook, he seems to be in his early to mid 30s.
No Boranas on snet huh? But when I was in Somaliland i met plenty Jaarso oromos, after many hours talking i could not convince them of their Dir-ness and Somali-ness even after showing abtirsi charts :roll: , but he rather tried to convince me I was a lost oromo :lol: :o But I know my father. he he he,

I'm going to try again next summer, they are really relaxed and chill people the oromos I met,t
hey are intermarrying within Somalis wallahi, he told me he had a somali wife, i was like :up: cool
sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

how are the oromo chicks man :clap:


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