The Oromo/Gaal Question

[DonCorleone]

bareento, Akkicku is a Madaxweyn Dir clan, they were absorbed into an Oromo confederacy after the fall of th Sultanate of Dawaro. You are falling into the trap of seeing the confederacy as a genealogical group. Akkichu are genealogically Dir.

James U know I am not in the claiming business...I dont careless whether Akkichuus are oromos/somalis or bantus or watever.
But the fact is in the 15th/16th century they were considered as one of the sons of Bareentumaa.
Is he an adopted son? I doubt it.

As for your claim of Akkichu being Madaxweyne or Xaarweyne Dir , the problem is that I dont give any credibility to somali genealogy.
They r completely fake ...they r changing political construction.
I have seen in mylife time, tribes claiming arabs, dirs etc...Dir is non-existence clan...
For Gods sake , u even put Wardey in Dir...whereas its historically proven they r remnants of the Orma!!

B.

Who gives a flying fuk about a gallas credibility, for the last time don't attempt assimilate Akishu & Warday, sons of Madaxweyn Dir into your fake non existent clan that has been oppressed and victimized throughout the history of the horn.

That's how you identify a .5 Dir, "Please don't assimlate me oromo please, i'll do anything....*takes off an oromo man's robe*"

No shame in your game

Seriously asking not to be assimilated lol, where are the Dirs on the ground resisting this, better yet, why are they being assimilated in the first place? You were talking heavy in other threads Armaan, time to talk now.

Resistance is Futile huuno i've nearly switched my entire alligance with the oromo nation

[DonCorleone]

DayaxJeclee, every oromo and somali living south of jigjiga looks Bantu.

James, u reason by analogy , but there is one cardinal point that u miss...Oromos never adopt clans as a clan...they r incorporated.
I believe in the 15th and 16th century the Bareentuma was a small confederation to incorporate a formidable force like Akkichu.

One other point Mr James...in Oromo genealogy there is a clear distinction between a confederacy and clan.
Thats something difficult for u to grasp.
The Oromo confederacy syetem is something created for specific politicla system.
Before the Borana/Bareentuma confederacies there were anaother confederacy known as Tuulam/Luullam.
This old confederacy were made up of the same clans but in different configuration.
Before the Borana/Bareentuma confederacies clans like Dawaro, Galaan, Laalo existed.

The Borana/Bareentu confederacy was purposely created for political reason at Madda Walaabu (meaning fountain of Liberty).
At the time the rising Muslim and christian kingdoms were putting pressure on Oromos and oromos ofthe time had
to come up with maverick political organisation. Thats how the Odaa Bultum was founded in early 16th century and ultimately
send the fake arab sultanates to oblivion.

B.

Exactly, but look, Dawaro was the RULING CLAN of one of those very sultanates, in fact one of the biggest and most powerful sultanates in Ethiopia, the ally of Ifat and the Sultan of All Dir, the Sultanate of Dawaro. Dawaro ruled from the Awash and the border with Ifat all the way to Addis Ababa.

What clan were Daworo, that sounds a lot like Harowo to me lol.

[James Dahl]

Dawaro are still around, they are a subclan of Jarso, who are either Madaxweyne Dir or Afran Qallu depending on who you ask.

As for why they split up, they didn't exactly split up, the Oromo mass-conquest of the south was quite rapid and after it was done, local confederations formed after the fact, uniting whoever happened to live in a particular area into the confederation.

[Bro]

Dawaro are still around, they are a subclan of Jarso, who are either Madaxweyne Dir or Afran Qallu depending on who you ask.

As for why they split up, they didn't exactly split up, the Oromo mass-conquest of the south was quite rapid and after it was done, local confederations formed after the fact, uniting whoever happened to live in a particular area into the confederation.

Sheekh Ḥaydar boqortooyi Suldaan of Dawaro will not be forgotten btw you do realize these oromos on this forum are not oromos but history deprived Isaaqs attempting to diminish the history of beesha Dir with useless arguments. Don't waste your time.

[abdikarim86]

Dawaro are still around, they are a subclan of Jarso, who are either Madaxweyne Dir or Afran Qallu depending on who you ask.

As for why they split up, they didn't exactly split up, the Oromo mass-conquest of the south was quite rapid and after it was done, local confederations formed after the fact, uniting whoever happened to live in a particular area into the confederation.

Sheekh Ḥaydar boqortooyi Suldaan of Dawaro will not be forgotten btw you do realize these oromos on this forum are not oromos but history deprived Isaaqs attempting to diminish the history of beesha Dir with useless arguments. Don't waste your time.

What on earth are you talking about?
What are you talking about when you state we attempt to diminish Dir History.

[Cherine]

Upon my research I am convinced Somali oromized people or perhaps somali 'others'/ Oromos etc claim various somali lands (dire dawa jig jigga, hergeisa etc) from their somali adoptions.
Therefore I present my hypothesis. Kind of rambling/ a rant NOT AN OROMO HATE THREAD btw.

During the Awdal/Aksum wars, the Oromo expansion from the south engulfed a lot of Northern somali clans etc, and the oromo confederation grew in numbers. Because we know the oromos came from the south, how were they kicked out of gaalkacyo? When they weren't even there yet? This is what i want to know. Who were the 'gaal" that was 'risen out' of that town?

I think Gaal is a term that has changed meanings over many years. Gaal in ethiopia means an oromo slur
In Somali it used to mean non somali in the past ( who were oromo and ahmaric people)
but now it means ( non muslim)
gaal/gaalo same word. Were the 'Gaal' Kacyians somalis who were non muslims, or foreigners that were kicked out, was it a tribal thing?

If they were oromo... were they of the Qallucha? or the Qāllō?


Gurracha (Qallucha)
Son of Sāmālo
Son of Bōran
Son of Oromō (Horo)
For the Qallucha we already see a Somali/Samalo connection. but their subclans are not as familar or somali to me as Qallo.
Rāyyā
Son of Walabu (Karrayyu)
Son of Odā (Harsu)
Son of Nagawō
Son of Gurracha (Qallucha)
Son of Sāmālo
Son of Bōran
Son of Oromō (Horo)
also
Father: Walabu (Karrayyu) son of Odā
Children born by ???
Tūlama son of Rāyyā
Maččā son of Rāyyā
Wallo son of Rāyyā
Karrayyu son of Rāyyā
Unless Borana=Borama it probably wasn't them. In my opinion.

Now we look at Qāllō. The other tribe in question , their abtirsi.
Son of Barentuma
Son of Oromō (Horo)

by looking under Qallo , we see there is

Āla son of Qāllō
Daggā son of Qāllō
Obborrā son of Qāllō
Bābbille son of Qāllō

By looking under Obborra we find Akisho! Marvelous! A Dir connection, did they live in Gaalkacyo before being pushed out by other clans? Did they modify their abtirsi to 'qalla'? were they already 'qalla". More questions emerge. Their Abtirsi.
Akichu
Son of Obborrā
Son of Qāllō
Son of Barentuma
Son of Oromō (Horo)

By looking at the sub clans of Daggā son of Qāllō. we find..
Jārsō son of Daggā
Nōlē son of Daggā
Hume son of Daggā
now we know Jaarso as a somali connection what about Nole and Hume, I've heard that they came together as a confederation..is Qaala a Confederation of 'ex somalis"
We know Nole means life in somali. Were they somali also or just oromo?
Under Hume we find Hume (Son of Daggā) we find Bursuug, which is screaming somalI at me, I've read this before? Seem familiar?Let me know.

Remember Āla son of Qāllō?
His subclans are
Erer son of Āla
Abbādho son of Āla reminds me of abadir for some reason
Nūnnu son of Āla
Abbayi son of Āla
Galān son of Āla
Mēttā son of Āla
Dīramu son of Āla
Sirbā son of Āla
Arrōjji son of Āla
Tulama son of Āla

Did you see Erer son of Āla?Sounds like Irir, and also Dīramu son of Āla, from Dir?

Were the Qalla the original 'Gallas?"
Barentuma from way of James Dahl's site told me it meant East Facing.. again back to my original point if Oromos migrated northwards from the south, how could they be expelled out of northern Somalia?

18 years olds are out there...enjoying life and you're here dedicating your life to Oromo subclans. What a tragedy.

[Bro]

Dawaro are still around, they are a subclan of Jarso, who are either Madaxweyne Dir or Afran Qallu depending on who you ask.

As for why they split up, they didn't exactly split up, the Oromo mass-conquest of the south was quite rapid and after it was done, local confederations formed after the fact, uniting whoever happened to live in a particular area into the confederation.

Sheekh Ḥaydar boqortooyi Suldaan of Dawaro will not be forgotten btw you do realize these oromos on this forum are not oromos but history deprived Isaaqs attempting to diminish the history of beesha Dir with useless arguments. Don't waste your time.

What on earth are you talking about?
What are you talking about when you state we attempt to diminish Dir History.

Ask the notorious multi-nicker aka Khalid Ali, what I mean by that statement, he knows what im talking about.

[Khalid Ali]

So the galla personalities in here are khalid ali lol
Nagadaa dee and what is my beef exactly with dir lol

[DonCorleone]

Dawaro are still around, they are a subclan of Jarso, who are either Madaxweyne Dir or Afran Qallu depending on who you ask.

As for why they split up, they didn't exactly split up, the Oromo mass-conquest of the south was quite rapid and after it was done, local confederations formed after the fact, uniting whoever happened to live in a particular area into the confederation.

Sheekh Ḥaydar boqortooyi Suldaan of Dawaro will not be forgotten btw you do realize these oromos on this forum are not oromos but history deprived Isaaqs attempting to diminish the history of beesha Dir with useless arguments. Don't waste your time.

YOU DIDN'T ANSWER MY QUESTION

NACALAD DIR KAGA WUSS

jk

[DonCorleone]

18 years olds are out there...enjoying life and you're here dedicating your life to Oromo subclans. What a tragedy.

Hmmmm good point but, I need to be 100% in my History of my clan, and people and understanding of the Horn before I control it to be honest,:demonic:

I need to know everything about the horn
but this year in total i spent 5 months traveling 1 month in the USA and 2.5 in Africa, and I am traveling again in a month , so basically 2013 i've spent in total after this winter, 6 months out of the country,so trust me, I'm out enjoying life, learning new things all of that shit.

Also! I'm trying to learn Oromo , im 6% there, and also Canfaari/Afar, and work on more of my Somali. Abo and Hoyo know Amharic and are teaching me and I'm trying to get my french to my 1999 level when i was almost fluent.

When i return back to africa in a month I will live as a Oromo and Canfari man in their respective Badiiye locations for 2 weeks respectively,, and try and learn their af 60% fluency, ife is good for the rich that travel and also live in Abos properties and go Clubbing in Addis and Djb City.

Also James Dahl i'm going to try and get a Afar Abtirsi list so you can add it to your site,i'm retuning back to Djibouti in 1.5 months inshallah.

[James Dahl]

Also James Dahl i'm going to try and get a Afar Abtirsi list so you can add it to your site,i'm retuning back to Djibouti in 1.5 months inshallah.

I salute you sir, it is a neglected area of study for sure