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Once again i said DONT mistake culture for RELIGION.. If her father brothered to OPEN up the Qur'aan and read it properly then she wouldnt be in that state, anyways her father is protecting her, U are angry coz she aint with U.... its plain and simple IF u are a women you are not allowed to marry a NON MUSLIM...full stop, forget how liberated westernised u are, u cant go against the HOLY BOOK...

so her father is stopping her from further sinning, coz he knew if he lefft her in Spain she would be with guys like U, not that there is anything wrong with U but u are NOT MUSLIM... BUT once again there are places like Turkey,Morroco, Tunisia and and many other places where they follow their Culture More rather than Religious practises..

And it just so happened I didn't drink any water either. Forgot to buy some bottled water before I came in today.

[quote="MAD MAC"]And it just so happened I didn't drink any water either. Forgot to buy some bottled water before I came in today.[/quote]


Oh please ...stop it already....how many hot dogs did you eat?

I didn't eat any hot dogs. But tonight, I am having spicy pork strips with rice and a BEER - damn it!

Hav manners Mad mac, we dont wanna know wat u guna eat esp if aint halal... yuuuuuck

Why should I start to develop manners now? I love spicey pork. And beer really goes down with it well. Then I nice romantic night with the wife......

"Once again i said DONT mistake culture for RELIGION.. If her father brothered to OPEN up the Qur'aan and read it properly then she wouldnt be in that state, anyways her father is protecting her, U are angry coz she aint with U.... its plain and simple IF u are a women you are not allowed to marry a NON MUSLIM...full stop, forget how liberated westernised u are, u cant go against the HOLY BOOK...

so her father is stopping her from further sinning, coz he knew if he lefft her in Spain she would be with guys like U, not that there is anything wrong with U but u are NOT MUSLIM... BUT once again there are places like Turkey,Morroco, Tunisia and and many other places where they follow their Culture More rather than Religious practises.."


-------->Well, mizzchief: we could go, if you want, into a really interesting and deep debate about mixed marriages, or this thing about love between muslims and non muslims. I bet you'll lose. The problem here, mizz, is that, whether if you're interested on Islam or not, being non-muslim, you're prejudged by muslims without the chance to speak for yourself. "You were born non-muslim... well, you'll be an infidel, a kuffar, for the rest of your life, whatever you do". Her father didn't bother to ask her if she had met someone in Spain or not. Just told her: "You're dressing like a bitch. It's time to come back home. And forget your job, forget your career and forget all your dreams. A muslim woman has to be at home: if she's married, with her husband. If not, with her parents".

That's the mentality, and whether you like it or not, it's a fact. I'm not living where do you live, but I bet that you know a lot of stories of muslim women living like that or being forbidden to go with this guy or that guy. You can speak all what you want about equality in Al Quran, and I won't deny this. But one thing is what Al Quran says and a completly different thing is the way some muslims read Al Quran.

I've seen the pictures. I'm pretty sure Kamal has gotten some Islamic nookie in the past. Like it or not, it does seem to be reality.

Lug????


Please DO NOT use my keen and exceedingly observant prowess to your 'own' deviant ends. That is insufferable & not very 'peace' loving gesture in this beautiful Ramadhan month. Shame on you! Your theory about the homosexuality thing is also --far fetched. Kamal is very far from being one; he strikes me as An English gentleman man- sophisicated & gentle manly manner-- often mistaken for gay & then later English. I think thats just pure hating. I say-- leave Kamal alone!!! Kamal is a rare gem of the gems.



Kamal@lol

I stand corrected, i beg your pardon. Eriterian??My God they are hedious!! Anyway i suppose beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I am curious to know-- how come the Somali girls relationship did not get 'serious'?? Whats the story behind that?

Basra
Stop right there! I have seen some FINE focking Eritrean chicks. And I did one of them, she was a GREAT FOCK. So, I would not go so far as to say they are hideous. They are some hot b!tches!

[quote="Kamal35"]

That's the mentality, and whether you like it or not, it's a fact. I'm not living where do you live, but I bet that you know a lot of stories of muslim women living like that or being forbidden to go with this guy or that guy. You can speak all what you want about equality in Al Quran, and I won't deny this. But one thing is what Al Quran says and a completly different thing is the way some muslims read Al Quran.[/quote]



Kamal for once i agree with u, people follow different interpretations, the Quraan is Never wrong but people can be... He had no right to tell her pack up, Women are allowed to work why the hell study then, i also hate people that thing like that, i was having a debate with a friend the other day, he was telling me why bother with my degree it wont get me anywhere and how he would marry an uneducated women, i was like dont mistake personal choice with what our religion teaches us, he was being so ignorant and whatever he said i quotyed him wrong all he was doing was speaking about his preferences, nothing worng with that but i told him if u wanna marry an uneducated womne fair enough, be prepared to teach her everything (not house work other things in life) he was lie fine...

But her father had his reasons and as his daughter she listened to him, but stoppin her from her job saying a muslim women has to be home isnt correct.. CULTURE AND religion are once again mixed up and sadly some people without intentionally realising it make culture a bigger issue

hideous? No, Basra! Not hideous at all! She's really beautiful! All the girls from the Horn of Africa are really beautiful, whoever they're Somalis, Eritreans or Ethiopians. The first time I met her, I asked: "Are you Somali"?, and she replied: "No! How come I could be Somali! For Godsake!, I'm not Somali, I'm Eritrean!". She sounded like scandalized to be compared with a Somali girl. And the same for Somali girls when someone thinks they're Eritrean. But at the end of the day, both Somalis and Eritrean are really beautiful girls. I would dare to say the most beautiful girls in the world. Good manners, nice style, great smiles!

"Kamal for once i agree with u, people follow different interpretations, the Quraan is Never wrong but people can be... He had no right to tell her pack up, Women are allowed to work why the hell study then, i also hate people that thing like that, i was having a debate with a friend the other day, he was telling me why bother with my degree it wont get me anywhere and how he would marry an uneducated women, i was like dont mistake personal choice with what our religion teaches us, he was being so ignorant and whatever he said i quotyed him wrong all he was doing was speaking about his preferences, nothing worng with that but i told him if u wanna marry an uneducated womne fair enough, be prepared to teach her everything (not house work other things in life) he was lie fine...

But her father had his reasons and as his daughter she listened to him, but stoppin her from her job saying a muslim women has to be home isnt correct.. CULTURE AND religion are once again mixed up and sadly some people without intentionally realising it make culture a bigger issue"


------->Sorry, I was replying to Basra and missed this point of yours. I have to go to work now, but I'll reply to you in a hour or so. Sounds an interesting debate here... See ya.

No Problemo

Mizz-Chief, sorry for the delay. Too much work today...

Well, I think people are very quick to pre-judge anyone for his country, race, religion, traditions, culture, whatever. In all sides. In the same way my ex girlfriend had to suffer a lot of prejudices in my country ("so, you're muslim? What do you think about Salman Rushdie? Do you pray five times a day?", and all that crap) I had to suffer a lot of prejudices from her family, even when I never met them personally, by phone, by letter, by no means... I was like an "entity"... "The Spaniard".

But, thinking about muslim girls (and what happened to her opened my eyes about the culture and traditions in countries like Morocco), just imagine yourself, Mizz-Chief. Let's suppose, by your location, that you're living in England. You're muslim, you practise your religion and feel proud of it. At the same time, you're living in -let's call it- a 'modern society'. You can drive a car, you can go to the University, study a career, get a job, rent an apartment for yourself, buy your own clothes, get your own money and live your own life. You are independent and you can do what you want because you're an adult woman. No matter if you're dressing Somali clothes or European clothes, if you're wearing a hijab or wearing jeans.

Just imagine that, suddenly, with all your life and friends and job in England, you're forced to pack up and come back to Somalia. Maybe your dream was someday coming back to Somalia to settle down there, to buy a house, start a job there and to have a family and a life there. But now, right now, you're forced to leave your job, your apartment, your way of life, you're put in a plane and you're suddenly in Somalia. Now, you're not Mizz-Chief, but the daughter of X or the nephew of Y, the sister of M or the fiancee of B. Because women in your culture are jewels, you have to be treated as a jewel: overprotected, staying at home, what about a job? "A woman doesn't need to work! She's fed by her husband or father!". You can't go out to the street because you can be on danger. You have to ask permission to your relatives to visit a cousin, a girl. You have to dress Somali clothes because this is Somalia, and your sex has to be chopped because this is the tradition.

Believe me: if you someday loved Somalia and dreamed with Somalia, you will start to hate Somalia. Why? Because you have your own life. Because you were educated that you can wear hijab if you want or you can wear jeans if you want. You can dress like a Somali girl WHILE anybody forces you to dress like this or like that. When you see that people, in order or some kind of traditions, culture, etc, try to impose their beliefs, their costumes, their things to you, against your own will, well, that's not tradition: that's slavery.

Probably, those relatives are wishing the best for you and are dying for you to feel comfortable with them. But nobody went and asked you what you wanted. They PRESUME this is what you want. But nobody asks you. How does it feel? Well, I imagine that was the way my ex girlfriend felt back home and, from what I know, is how she's feeling even today. After studying a great career, after being the No1 in her promotion, after getting a job in which she earnt a lot lot of money, money enough to have her own apartment, car, way of life, friends, holidays, travels, she was forced to leave all that behind because her father was afraid she could become a "Westerner girl"...

I'm with her when she asked him: "So, why did you spent so much money on me, on my career, why did you send me to Spain?". And yeah, why sending your own daughter to kuffirland insteand sending her to study Al Quran in Saudi Arabia, for instance? I find this really contradictory. If I'm sent to live in Uganda, I'll marry with an Ugandese girl. If I'm sent to Mexico, I'll marry a Mexican girl... If you want to preserve your daughter of such "dangers", don't send her to a "dangerous" zone. And, when she has a life, don't force her to leave everything behind and to re-start an old life that she actually had forgotten.

I told this hundred of times: if sometime I was curious about Islam, it was not because of the father, who visited Mekka five times and spent the whole day praying and going to the Mosque. I was curious because of her. And she never tried to impose Islam to me, never started a talk about Islam unless I was the first one on speaking about it, never told me: "You have to read Al Quran". She was nicely amazed when I asked her things about Islam, and then started to talk about it and how wonderful it would be that we both could speak about it freely. But she wasn' a girl wearing hijab, praying five times a day or saying day in day out: "This is sin", "that's forbidden", etc. She was a muslim woman. That's all. But a woman. She kept Islam for her private life and I loved to share it with her. Being a non-observant muslim, she woke my curiosity much more than all those so-called muslims who are parroting hadiths and "hamdulillahs" all the time. They're really bored. I'm not interested on people for what they speak, but for the way they behave in life.

So, her father was alright? No. Did he do a good action to her? Not at all. Why: because, being so muslim and all that, he forgot the main rule between a father and a daughter, whoever they are muslims, buddhists, atheists, christians or anything else: To ask your daughter if she's happy, and if she isn't, to ask her what does she need to be happy. And to get the moon, if it's necessary, to keep your baby happy.

He didn't bothered to ask her what she wanted.