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Russia signs $400bn oil & gas contract with China

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Re: Russia signs $400bn oil & gas contract with China

Postby Octavius » Sat May 24, 2014 11:01 am

Good deal for china but as usual the media i.e western media is ignoring the important factors.
There will be no dollars involved in this deal.
this is spectacularly important news.
Yes the fact that this deal will not be denominated in dollars is very significant and although $400bn over 30 years will not impact that status of the dollar in the world economy in any meaningful way, it signifies a bold political move on the part of the Chinese and Russians. Watch this space.

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Re: Russia signs $400bn oil & gas contract with China

Postby Octavius » Sun May 25, 2014 3:37 pm

The real danger, in my view, is rather more abstract — but deadly important nevertheless. If Russia’s “pivot to Asia” results in Moscow and Beijing trading oil between them in a currency other than the dollar, that will represent a major change in how the global economy operates and a marked loss of power for the US and its allies.

With the dollar as the world’s petrocurrency, it also remains the reserve currency of choice for central banks globally. As such, the US is currently able to borrow with “exorbitant privilege”, as it has for decades, simply printing money to pay off foreign creditors.

With China now the world’s biggest oil importer and the US increasingly stressing domestic production, the days of dollar-priced energy, and therefore dollar-dominance, look numbered. Beijing has recently struck numerous agreements with major trading partners such as Brazil that bypass the dollar. Moscow and Beijing have also set up rouble-yuan swap facilities that push the greenback out of the picture.

If Russia and China now decide to drop dollar energy pricing totally, America’s reserve currency status could unravel fast, seriously undermining the US Treasury market and causing a world of pain for the West. This won’t happen tomorrow or next year. It’s unlikely even by 2020. But by announcing this deal, Russia and China turned the screw half a twist more.

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Re: Russia signs $400bn oil & gas contract with China

Postby gurey25 » Sun May 25, 2014 10:32 pm

It will take time, Russia is rushing china into this because Putin has eliminated his pro-western opposition and is ready to do what he wanted since 2003. The chinese approach is longer term and gradual, they see the dollar as contaminated infectious material to be disposed of carefully and slowly.
Full convertibility of the yuan is scheduled for 2018, and reserve currency status for 2024 at the earliest, the chinese want the dollar to die a quite death witha wimper not a bang.
The problem is that reaction from the us could accelerate this and turn this into a bang a crash of the world markets,
currency swaps, barter deals and gold trading which started as a way for Iran to avoid sanctions has spread like a fire to allot of countries like turkey, india, russia, china, japan, south korea and soon many more.

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Re: Russia signs $400bn oil & gas contract with China

Postby Octavius » Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:51 pm

Is the dollar's dominace coming to an end?

The BRIC countries have set up a Shanghai based "development bank" as an alternative to the iMF/WB that will initially have $100 available to lend out.

http://telegraph.feedsportal.com/c/3272 ... tory01.htm

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Re: Russia signs $400bn oil & gas contract with China

Postby Octavius » Sat Jul 19, 2014 6:55 pm

Consider also that the BRICs collectively hold sway over 50pc of global currency reserves, rising to almost three-quarters if you take the emerging markets as a whole. The G7 nations between them control only 20pc – and less than 8pc if you exclude Japan.

Based on such balance sheets, we’re now seeing institutional change. The new BRICs Development Bank, modelled on the IMF, will have a $100bn currency reserve available to lend around the world, giving distressed debtor nations an alternative to the “Washington consensus”.

For a long time, the BRICs have been paying in to the IMF, yet been denied additional influence over what happens to the money. Belgium has more votes than Brazil, Canada more than China.

The institutions governing the global economy have failed to keep pace with reality. Modest reforms giving the large emerging markets more power, agreed with much fanfare in 2007 and again in 2010, have been stalled by Washington lawmakers. The BRICs have now called time, setting up their own, rival institution based in Shanghai.

The key to the dollar’s future is petrocurrency status – whether it’s used for trading oil and other leading commodities. Here, too, change is afoot. China’s voracious energy appetite and America’s increased focus on domestic production mean the days of dollar-priced energy look numbered.

Beijing has struck numerous agreements with Brazil and India that bypass the dollar. China and Russia have also set up rouble-yuan swaps pushing America’s currency out of the picture. But if Beijing and Moscow – the word’s largest energy importer and producer respectively – drop dollar energy pricing, America’s reserve currency status could unravel.
That would undermine the US Treasury market and seriously complicate Washington’s ability to finance its vast and still fast-growing $17.5  trillion of dollar-denominated debt.

In May, Beijing and Moscow signed a huge multi-decade gas supply contract, to sit alongside a similar oil deal agreed in 2009. No one knows what share of this energy trade will be on a yuan-rouble basis – and the two governments aren’t saying. This question, seemingly inane, is among the most important diplomatic issues of our time.

At the moment, although Russia’s export partners do sometimes settle in roubles, most Sino-Russian trade is still in dollars. But the combination of this new gas deal, and western sanctions on Russia – has seen Moscow and Beijing step up bilateral efforts to facilitate large-scale non-dollar settlement.

With western anti-Russia sanctions likely to be tightened again after the tragic shooting of a Malaysian passenger plane over Ukrainian airspace, Beijing’s response will be closely scrutinised. I, for one, expect the Chinese to say little until it’s clearly established who grounded the plane and why.

Although the dollar’s reserve status won’t end overnight, the global payments system is now moving inexorably towards that outcome. The US currency accounted for just 33pc of all foreign exchange holdings in 2013, on IMF numbers, down from 55pc in 2001.

Within a decade or so, a “reserve currency basket” may emerge, with central banks storing wealth in a mix of dollars, yuan, rupee, reals and roubles, as well as precious metals. Perhaps some kind of synthetic bundle of the world’s leading currencies will be developed, with emphasis placed, after years of western money-printing, on assets backed by commodities and other tangibles.

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Re: Russia signs $280bn oil & gas contract with China

Postby Octavius » Tue Nov 25, 2014 8:40 am

Russia & China have signed a second deal, this time estimated to be worth $280bn

http://m.wsj.com/articles/new-russia-ch ... 6?mobile=y

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Re: Russia signs $400bn oil & gas contract with China

Postby thehappyone » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:24 am

400? 280? image just 10bn went to th somali gov, the amount of things they could achieve Image

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Re: Russia signs $400bn oil & gas contract with China

Postby Octavius » Tue Nov 25, 2014 9:27 am

These deals are worth about $20bn per year to Russia over 30 years.

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Re: Russia signs $400bn oil & gas contract with China

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