Iron Dome is one big lie!

[FAH1223]

Israel Defense Prize laureate and aerospace engineer Dr. Moti Shefer, whose specialty is interception missiles, says Iron Dome is a bluff. It doesn’t intercept anything but rather invents virtual rockets. The explosions we hear are the sounds of Iron Dome missiles self-destructing.

Listen at 28 minutes on.. Finklestein also says its an exaggerated system

[jalaaludin5]

Talking about the iron dome only vindicate those who are guilty of war crimes.
Discussions about the dome as a "defence system" give weight to the argument that they are in mortal danger from 1.5 million in a concentration camp. Every time the subject comes up all it does is give credence to the very same people who should be indicted for war crimes.

Marka aad nin hiilo
Laga baqo hashisiyo
Halyey hitler dhashaa baa
Hooyoo lagu xasuustaa

[FAH1223]

Talking about the iron dome only vindicate those who are guilty of war crimes.
Discussions about the dome as a "defence system" give weight to the argument that they are in mortal danger from 1.5 million in a concentration camp. Every time the subject comes up all it does is give credence to the very same people who should be indicted for war crimes.

Marka aad nin hiilo
Laga baqo hashisiyo
Halyey hitler dhashaa baa
Hooyoo lagu xasuustaa

Yup

[Grant]

I don't know about exaggeration, but the Iron Dome is being credited with reducing the size and mortality of the disarmament efforts in Gaza.

http://warontherocks.com/2014/08/more-t ... iron-dome/

"The cost to Palestinians of Operation Protective Edge is, to be sure, staggering. But a broader operation designed in response to casualties that resulted from direct rocket strikes on Israeli cities would have been even more destructive. Thus, an important political “success” of the Iron Dome system is to have limited the campaign in a way that would have been politically difficult if rockets had been exploding in Israeli population centers.

To the extent that Iron Dome does have a longer-term effect on the political dynamics between Israel and the Palestinians, it will likely be positive. This is because Israel fears that in any future withdrawal from the West Bank, the territory would be used to stockpile and fire rockets at Israel, as happened after the I.D.F. withdrew from South Lebanon in 2000 and Gaza in 2005. To the extent that Iron Dome is an effective anti-rocket system, it can help ameliorate some of those concerns. Indeed, the development of security technologies for Israel that would mitigate risks attendant with a putative Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank in the context of a peace deal played an important role during the American-sponsored negotiations during the past year.

The Iron Dome system will not resolve the issues at the core of the century-old Israeli-Palestinian conflict: whether and how to divide Jerusalem and create secure borders; whether the Palestinian Authority will abandon the “Right of Return” or acknowledge the right of the Jewish people to a homeland of their own; and what exactly Palestinian sovereignty on the West Bank and Gaza will look like, among many other issues. But in the interim, Iron Dome has logged significant achievements on tactical, strategic, and political levels—about all that one can expect of a defensive weapon system."

Also, kindly note mention of it as something promoting an Israeli withdrawal from the West Bank.

[jalaaludin5]

There goes old man Grant again.

Just because you can make argument for something doesn't mean your on point.

Isn't it amazing that those that cried the loudest about inhumane cruelty are now the greatest architect in brutal savagery.

[sconosciuto]

There goes old man Grant again.

Just because you can make argument for something doesn't mean your on point.

Mormons believe to be the descendants of prophets Isxaaq & Yacquub (AS). They use the terms "House of Israel" and "House of Joseph" to refer to themselves. They believe it's their religious duty to defend Zionists.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormonism_ ... el_descent

[Grant]

TAM,

DNA evidence has clearly shown that there is no Jewish linkage either to the Mormons as a group or to the Native Americans as claimed in the Book of Mormon. Fifty one years ago, when I left the Church, we knew the archaeological record did not support any such notion, but did not have this additional evidence. These, and other revelations indicating a fraudulent origin for the Books of Abraham and Moses in the Pearl of Great Price have brought about a radical decrease in active Church membership, from a high of about 16M active members to about 4M presently. You can find all of this and more at the website "recoveringfrommormonism.com."

From your link:

"Mormons and the State of Israel

The LDS Church is officially neutral when it comes to the Arab-Israeli conflict. Mormons, as well as many Jews, are also in favor of peaceful coexistence between Jewish and non-Jewish (Muslim and/or Christian) Arabs in the Holy Land. The LDS Church considers non-Jewish Arabs to be children of Abraham.

The LDS church has two congregations in Israel: the Galilee Branch in Tiberias and the Jerusalem Branch in Jerusalem. Latter-day Saints in Israel hold their worship services on Saturday, the Jewish Sabbath.[50]

"Missionaries are allowed to proselytize, although the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) voluntarily refrains from proselytizing under an agreement with the Government."[51]

Brigham Young University has a study center in Jerusalem that is active in research and cultural activities (e.g. classical music concerts). Its creation was initially protested by Haredi Jewish groups which claimed, despite Mormon reassurances, that it would be a center of proselytizeing activities. Brigham Young University was allowed to open an extension in Jerusalem only after promising the mayor that no proselytizing would take place and that all students would be foreigners.[52] The courses at the center, attracting students from BYU and other institutions of higher learning in the US who wanted to do credit coursework in Israel, were temporarily suspended due to security concerns.[53"

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Note that a Branch isn't even a Ward, or normal congregation. The one in Jerusalem is probably explained by the school, which has facilities for only 160, all foreign, students. The Galilee Branch is probably tiny.

That's it.

Here's a Jewish article, trying to chat up some Mormons. You will notice that it's not entirely successful, and that one of the initial examples is not totally convinced that Zionism is such a good thing. What I would say is that Mormons were once greatly more interested in Zionism (Say 1834,1848,1851, when emissaries were sent) than they are today. I doubt most Mormons are even aware of the nuances to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. They have much more basic issues to deal with, within the Church itself.

http://www.jewishjournal.com/jews_and_m ... s_39100526

[STARKAST]

'Israel'/'Ethiopia' has no right to defend itself in a country it illegally occupies !

[sconosciuto]

'Israel'/'Ethiopia' has no right to defend itself in a country it illegally occupies !

Was Israel formed legally?

[STARKAST]

A Zionist/puppet would say yes, a person whose conscience is governed with even minimal morality would say no.
Legality in regards to English tort law etc has 0 place in discussing the obvious black and white injustice delivered to the people of philistine.
Also last time i checked apartheid and concentration camps weren't legal in any law on earth apart from the Talmud !

[Grant]

'Israel'/'Ethiopia' has no right to defend itself in a country it illegally occupies !

Was Israel formed legally?

http://www.frontpagemag.com/2011/david- ... L_CAMPAIGN

"As the highest official representative of the Arabs of British Mandatory Palestine, el-Husseini was interviewed by the Palestine Royal Commission led by Earl William Robert Wellesley Peel, hence known as the Peel Commission."

According to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, the land was bought, legally, mostly from absentee landlords. Prior to the first WW, it had been part of the Ottoman Empire. The Palestinian peasants didn't own it.

"The Hajj Amin el-Husseini, the intractable opponent of Zionism, a Jew-hater on par with Hitler, admitted under questioning that no Arab land was stolen; no Arabs were wiped out, no villages destroyed. Rather, the Jews bought hundreds of thousands of dunam (about ¼ of an acre) of land from willing sellers, often from absentee Arab landowners. Moreover, thanks in part to the Zionists and the British, the quality of life for Palestine’s Arab peasantry was vastly improved, with less taxation, more schools, and an increase in Arab population.

The next time someone spouts the Arab line about how Zionists came and stole Arab land and drove Arabs out, just quote the Mufti."

[sconosciuto]

A Zionist/puppet would say yes, a person whose conscience is governed with even minimal morality would say no.
Legality in regards to English tort law etc has 0 place in discussing the obvious black and white injustice delivered to the people of philistine.

True. One of the oldest myth perpetuated by them is, the "Palestinians sold their land." Fact is, most of the land supposedly "purchased" was transferred to Israelis by the British Government. This happened when Palestine was under British occupation. Then, the UN awarded Israel more than half of the land. The rest, they took it with force. That's how Israel was formed "legally."
http://www.rense.com/general31/didyouknow.htm

[Grant]

The problem with a legal case against the Israelis is that it is a two-edged sword. There is an equivalent case against the Palestinians and one case before the ICC will almost certainly bring another.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStor ... 678?page=2

" Gaining membership to the ICC has been considered the Palestinian "doomsday weapon" because it would likely invite major Israeli retaliation.

But widespread anger in the West Bank over the rising casualties in Gaza has increased pressure on Abbas to act.

"People feel that this tool should be used to stop the Israeli crimes," said former Palestinian government spokesman Ghassan Khatib.

"When people in the West Bank see these scenes that are occurring now in Gaza, they feel that they should support their brothers in Gaza, and the first thing that comes to their mind is the issue of the ICC because they think that it is possible and thus they are pushing more and more for it now," he said.

Independent legislator Mustafa Barghouti said Thursday that leaders of political factions in the West Bank have repeatedly urged Abbas to act.

"We have been pressing him for a long time," he said.

At a meeting Tuesday with political leaders and faction chiefs, Abbas asked participants to sign a declaration of support for such a move, said Barghouti, adding that everyone signed.

The final decision would still be up to Abbas, according to other participants who spoke on condition of anonymity because there were not authorized to talk to reporters about internal deliberation.

They said Abbas also told them he would not move forward without written consent from Hamas and Islamic Jihad because they could expose themselves to possible war crimes charges.

One of the participants expressed concern that this was a stalling tactic by Abbas, arguing that it was unlikely for Hamas to support such a move."
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The ICC may be a good place to put this. At least there, BOTH sides could be heard.