Cushite is Bullshite

[SultanOrder]

First of all cushite is a linguistic classification not a genetic grouping. At the end of the day it is just a name influenced by the bible, but no one says that the languages origin has anything to do with it.

[Xildiiid]

Zubeir make up your mind bro.


So you don't believe in the scriptures?

The sons of Ham were Cush, Put, Mizraim and Canaan and greek historians mentioned how Cushites lived on both sides of the red sea thus explaining how Taharka the Egyptian pharaoh could be related to Nimrod the Mesopotamian king (genealogically) since they both were descendants of Cush.

The Romans and greeks were the descendants of Cush as well. The bible promised Cush that his progeny would rule the world and promised Ham that his progeny would serve there brothers.

so there was a blessing and curse for Ham. the Blessing want to cush and the curse to some others.

Did you know that the Bible describes Cush as the greatest warrior and hunter who have lived on this earth. His genes were purely superior to mankind!

Lmao, relax nigga, I was joking with my nephew Zubeir

[Casanova25]

Zubeir make up your mind bro.


So you don't believe in the scriptures?

The sons of Ham were Cush, Put, Mizraim and Canaan and greek historians mentioned how Cushites lived on both sides of the red sea thus explaining how Taharka the Egyptian pharaoh could be related to Nimrod the Mesopotamian king (genealogically) since they both were descendants of Cush.

The Romans and greeks were the descendants of Cush as well. The bible promised Cush that his progeny would rule the world and promised Ham that his progeny would serve there brothers.

so there was a blessing and curse for Ham. the Blessing want to cush and the curse to some others.

Did you know that the Bible describes Cush as the greatest warrior and hunter who have lived on this earth. His genes were purely superior to mankind!

Lmao, relax nigga, I was joking with my nephew Zubeir

http://biblehub.com/genesis/10-8.htm

[GeoSeven]

Unless you're in objection to the Cushite classification itself, there's really nothing wrong with the term. It's onlu a label used to identify an ethno racial group, right. Is there an alternative description?

[BlackVelvet]

I'm not too concerned in any pre-islamic Somali history

And that is the issue. Somalis were around pre-Islam. You either accept that your people were also around and Sh.Isxaaq is made up or you accept that your people came into the picture a lot latter in Somali history and therefore don't share in the history fully. Mahine you can't wipe away Somali history so it suits your understanding.

[Cherine]

Indeed it is
Only low self esteem Somalis propound this baloney.

[LobsterUnit]

For faraxs sake.not one motherfarax ever sat under a tree and thought about developing a writing system or writing a book about somali history. Even the first recorded mention of the word somali comes from a xabashi king gloating about killing soomaali.we get other glimpses from the works of ibn batuta and other arab historians. Futuh al xabash is another good glimpse.somalis history has always been written and named by outsiders.i am baasto being a cushit or a cushite will not pay your bills.

[ZubeirAwal]

Zubeir make up your mind bro.


So you don't believe in the scriptures?

The sons of Ham were Cush, Put, Mizraim and Canaan and greek historians mentioned how Cushites lived on both sides of the red sea thus explaining how Taharka the Egyptian pharaoh could be related to Nimrod the Mesopotamian king (genealogically) since they both were descendants of Cush.

It may sound convincing but a man could have sat down and made up these things from scratch, " Look, I'll tell you where the peoples of the world comes from". In Islam we don't take what the people of the book have to be 100% authentic, ofcourse there was a original gospel, and a original torah, and the original pslams of Sulaiman (AS). However if you were to read Richard Friedman's " Who wrote the bible", the author cleverly distinguishes verses and organizes them to their supposed authors who literally wrote passages of the bible. Among these, the tale of 'Ham, Cush' fits as a candidate for nothing but drivel.

You mean to tell me that A somali has ancestral links with King Nimrod of Babylon? You sound like those whacko Black Israelites who claim Somalis ( their bullshite word 'Hamites') are babylonians and that they are isrealites, it's all BS.

The fact that Allah jalla fi 3ula decided to not include this in the Qur'an is more than enough for me to know it's level of importance.

I'm not too concerned in any pre-islamic Somali history

And that is the issue. Somalis were around pre-Islam. You either accept that your people were also around and Sh.Isxaaq is made up or you accept that your people came into the picture a lot latter in Somali history and therefore don't share in the history fully. Mahine you can't wipe away Somali history so it suits your understanding.

No one is rejecting their existance but there is nothing authentic that can be cross-referenced into that era, if you want to research into it the conclusion you will come to will be no where near what you think it is, who even knows the people living their back then even classified themselves as 'Somali'? And then you have the ludicrous claim that we come Ram ibn Zing ibn Zang aka 'Samaale' , all I'm saying is the only credible sources of information into that era are the folklore that is preserved in oral form. To faithfully believe in passages of the bible despite that book having more than 1000 editions is rather a stupid thing to do.

Classification for a group or not, I won't accept a term that is not to be found anywhere in the linguistic history of my people.

PS, I accept the latter of what you questioned, reading the new book on Sh isaaq which also includes scans of century-old manuscripts will be interesting.

[BlackVelvet]

Okay Zubeir that seems fair enough if you choose to believe in your Ram ibn Zing ibn Zang then your history starts a lot latter and you should be okay with that. In fact there is no reason for you to concern yourself with the term Cushite because you are Semite.

[ZubeirAwal]

Firstly, I merely noted that the Ram ibn Zing ibn Zang is what other Somalis claim to be the background history of the Somali people as a whole, I don't know how you understood it as me saying I wanted to believe in it, either you're were sincerely mistaken or you're portraying unnecessary hostility in what I think is a very interesting subject. As for you're latter remark, the narrative of the story does include centuries of inter-marrying with Somalis who lived in the region. This alone gives me enough reason to investigate this subject which always has opposite narratives from different tribes. No consensual piece of history has surfaced.

[BlackVelvet]

I think it's coming across as hostile because I am not inserting my own jokes and just recycling yours

Samaale is not considered the ancestor of all people who are now considered Somali, it is a specific group of people. Also, sadly, it doesn't matter who your mother is when it comes to ab tiris. So no matter how much mixing there was it does not change the origin.

[ZubeirAwal]

Oh I see

I know the importance of patriarchy when it comes to ancestry, however it doesn't necessary mean the matriarchy should be neglected, and forgotten.

[BlackVelvet]

So then who do you consider this matriarch, Dir?

[grandpakhalif]

tbh, how can one sheikh produce so much progeny? there must be some sheegad in every tribe. Anyways I have accepted whether I am of arab descent or not will not benefit me in the sight of Allah.. so why focus on such trivial matters anywho?

[ZubeirAwal]

@ Jas If not Dir, then who else? I understand Dir to be a confederation of clans that have been living there illa Masha'Allah.

Perhaps if I were to excavate something equivalent to the rosetta stone somewhere in the north (Not saying this as a subtle attack to the brothers in the south, but we all know the most historical area when it comes to Somali history in the north) that may answer all the questions.

tbh, how can one sheikh produce so much progeny? there must be some sheegad in every tribe. Anyways I have accepted whether I am of arab descent or not will not benefit me in the sight of Allah.. so why focus on such trivial matters anywho?

Firstly you must understand that one man 700 years ago was a muslim who held polygamous marriages, and in extension fathered than 5 children. His children continued to marry within the local area, and probably married more than one wife, and then his grandchildren and so on and so forth. Assimilation is obviously present within Isaaq as with every other clan. The practice of assimilation is not exclusive to Somalis alone, it was a custom also in the Arabian peninsula, a assimilated individual will carry the lineage of the clan he/she was assimilated into.

However just because assimilation is present doesn't nullify the authenticity of what is being discussed.