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Re: 'ethnic' somalis are diverse why discriminate others

Postby Itrah » Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:47 pm

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^ What is the source of that study? I'd like to look into it.

Seems to confirm as most Somalis on 23andMe also cluster on the same place. Both Somalilanders and Hawiyes cluster near each other.

Only ethnic Bantus and Reer Xamaris are the foreign outliers.

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Re: 'ethnic' somalis are diverse why discriminate others

Postby Estarix » Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:53 pm

I thought the "diverse" origins of Somalis were already established by you Qabilsits, Isaaqs are from Iraq, Daroods from Yemen, Hawiye was native according to some whilst others also say he was a migrant....So what is surprising about the "diversity" seeing as to how we have different origins according to Ya'll?Image

The Sheer Hypocrisy is amazing Lol


Somalis are nothing more than an old neolithic mixture of a "Dinka" like people and an old Middle Eastern group anyway, this happened around what is now Southern Egypt roughly 5-7 thousand years ago.

Here is where Somalis cluster on a world population plot (though some-what a limited list, at least this has Somalis as a reference, usually they use Ethiopians whom cluster around the same place as us) between the "Nilotic" Dinka and "Bedouins" & Mediterraneans. The Maasai are Cushitic-Nilotic 50/50. This is why they cluster towards us, for more purer Nilotics, Dinkas are the most representatives and Somalis seem intermediate between them and Eurasians.

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Btw, Mozabites are Berbers from Algeria, most North Africans, Arab or Berber cluster with them. North Africans usually seem about "20%" Native Black African.
It seems just from features most somalis gravitate towards the dinka side though. I think its becuase they make up 60% and the rest is 40%. The caucasian paternal lineage though are north african berber like group right?
Funny that the dinkas are wracked with violent clan wars like somalis, thats another thing we seem to share.

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Re: 'ethnic' somalis are diverse why discriminate others

Postby Itrah » Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:56 pm

Never mind, already found the study:

http://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/ ... 1552-3.pdf
http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/supp ... 1552-2.pdf

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/supp ... 1552-4.txt

The Somalis they sampled all come from Kenya. Garissa to be exact..

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Ayodo_21S F Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_23S F Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_34S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_35S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_40S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_41S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_43S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_52S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_5S F Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_61S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_69S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_81S F Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_90S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo

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Re: 'ethnic' somalis are diverse why discriminate others

Postby SiennaEarth » Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:56 pm

She's beautiful.

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Re: 'ethnic' somalis are diverse why discriminate others

Postby Khalid Ali » Thu Nov 06, 2014 5:57 pm

Bantus

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Re: 'ethnic' somalis are diverse why discriminate others

Postby Chinaman » Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:02 pm

^ What is the source of that study? I'd like to look into it.

Seems to confirm as most Somalis on 23andMe also cluster on the same place. Both Somalilanders and Hawiyes cluster near each other.

Only ethnic Bantus and Reer Xamaris are the foreign outliers.
Damn, Am I sharing with you? LOl yeah you're right it seems to confirm it. Most Somalis cluster around the same spot. It's from an Ancient European DNA Study BTW. They used Somalis as a reference weirdly enough, usually they like to use Ethiopian Jews or Amharas for Horners.

http://forwhattheywereweare.blogspot.co ... cient.html

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Re: 'ethnic' somalis are diverse why discriminate others

Postby incognito1 » Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:03 pm

[youtube]/watch?v=3KUFTtvmvrw[/youtube]
[youtube]/watch?v=Oc9kNnw1_qE[/youtube]

why discriminate? she is from one of the major clans in the country of Somalia. why discriminate on jareers and others??
bare in mind these people have been living with y'al for hundreds of years, you all act like they came last week.
there needs to be minorities like these kind in top positions or else your country will never recover.




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Re: 'ethnic' somalis are diverse why discriminate others

Postby incognito1 » Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:04 pm

[youtube]/watch?v=3KUFTtvmvrw[/youtube]
[youtube]/watch?v=Oc9kNnw1_qE[/youtube]

why discriminate? she is from one of the major clans in the country of Somalia. why discriminate on jareers and others??
bare in mind these people have been living with y'al for hundreds of years, you all act like they came last week.
there needs to be minorities like these kind in top positions or else your country will never recover.

p

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Re: 'ethnic' somalis are diverse why discriminate others

Postby incognito1 » Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:04 pm

[youtube]/watch?v=3KUFTtvmvrw[/youtube]
[youtube]/watch?v=Oc9kNnw1_qE[/youtube]

why discriminate? she is from one of the major clans in the country of Somalia. why discriminate on jareers and others??
bare in mind these people have been living with y'al for hundreds of years, you all act like they came last week.
there needs to be minorities like these kind in top positions or else your country will never recover.


p

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Re: 'ethnic' somalis are diverse why discriminate others

Postby incognito1 » Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:05 pm

[youtube]/watch?v=3KUFTtvmvrw[/youtube]
[youtube]/watch?v=Oc9kNnw1_qE[/youtube]

why discriminate? she is from one of the major clans in the country of Somalia. why discriminate on jareers and others??
bare in mind these people have been living with y'al for hundreds of years, you all act like they came last week.
there needs to be minorities like these kind in top positions or else your country will never recover.

p

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Re: 'ethnic' somalis are diverse why discriminate others

Postby Chinaman » Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:13 pm

Never mind, already found the study:

http://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/ ... 1552-3.pdf
http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/supp ... 1552-2.pdf

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/supp ... 1552-4.txt

The Somalis they sampled all come from Kenya. Garissa to be exact..

Code: Select all

Ayodo_21S F Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_23S F Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_34S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_35S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_40S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_41S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_43S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_52S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_5S F Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_61S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_69S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_81S F Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_90S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo
Damn, Somalis in Kenya are that Pure Image

I always thought that a lot of Somalis in Kenya and so on might be Somalinized Boranas but idk now. Boranas usually cluster close to us but a bit more southern (5% closer to SSA) but without other Somalis from Somalia/Ethiopia/Djibouti being referenced its impossible to know a 5% difference. Weird though, Here we are constantly talking about the purity of Somalis in Somalia when Kenyan Somalis are that pure (which isn't surprising considering everything, don't get me wrong I wasn't expecting anything out of the ordinary but it shows how ridiculous the Somalinet arguments in here are)Image

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Re: 'ethnic' somalis are diverse why discriminate others

Postby Itrah » Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:22 pm

Never mind, already found the study:

http://www.biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/ ... 1552-3.pdf
http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/supp ... 1552-2.pdf

http://biorxiv.org/content/biorxiv/supp ... 1552-4.txt

The Somalis they sampled all come from Kenya. Garissa to be exact..

Code: Select all

Ayodo_21S F Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_23S F Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_34S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_35S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_40S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_41S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_43S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_52S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_5S F Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_61S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_69S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_81S F Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo Ayodo_90S M Somali Somali Africa Kenya Garissa 5.6 48.3 1 1 George Ayodo
Damn, Somalis in Kenya are that Pure Image

I always thought that a lot of Somalis in Kenya and so on might be Somalinized Boranas but idk now. Boranas usually cluster close to us but a bit more southern (5% closer to SSA) but without other Somalis from Somalia/Ethiopia/Djibouti being referenced its impossible to know a 5% difference. Weird though, Here we are constantly talking about the purity of Somalis in Somalia when Kenyan Somalis are that pure (which isn't surprising considering everything, don't get me wrong I wasn't expecting anything out of the ordinary)Image
Somalis in NFD are mostly nomadic types like Garres, Degodias and Marehans. They do not usually associate with Jareers.

It would not surprise me if NFD Somalis are actually more ethnically Somali than a large percentage of folks living in Somalia.

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Re: 'ethnic' somalis are diverse why discriminate others

Postby Chinaman » Thu Nov 06, 2014 6:30 pm


Somalis in NFD are mostly nomadic types like Garres, Degodias and Marehans. They do not usually associate with Jareers.

It would not surprise me if NFD Somalis are actually more ethnically Somali than a large percentage of folks living in Somalia.
Yep, I too wouldn't be surprised tbh. Did you see the results of the Oromos from Melkabuta, Bale, Ethiopia? They seem to be almost identical (or close to at-least) to the Somalis. of course it would be hard to know How Omotic they are compared to the Somali since Aris & other Omotics aren't in the sample and we know a lot of Oromos tend to have a high amount of Omotic compared to Somalis) but still, over-all they appear very similar to the Somalis from Garissa! I searched up the town and its apparently close to Goro, Bale which borders the Somali Region.

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Re: 'ethnic' somalis are diverse why discriminate others

Postby FarhanYare » Thu Nov 06, 2014 7:03 pm

Image you must've done a bit of search to find this video

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Re: 'ethnic' somalis are diverse why discriminate others

Postby Chinaman » Thu Nov 06, 2014 8:26 pm

This Thread died when an actual intellectual conversation on the origins of Somalis genetically started. That's how you know Somalinet really is a shithole ImageImageImage


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