Your opinions on this rise in Somali apostates?

[SiennaEarth]

A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle.

— Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:89:271

You have to remember Somalis or born muslims didn't choose to be muslims but were born muslim because of their family(alhamdulillah). So it's not like they're turning back on a religion they chose to be in.

[QaxootiWaaxid]

O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. They swear by Allah that they said nothing (wrong), yet they did say the word of disbelief, and did disbelieve after their Surrender (to Allah). And they purposed that which they could not attain, and they sought revenge only that Allah by His messenger should enrich them of His bounty. If they repent it will be better for them; and if they turn away, Allah will afflict them with a painful doom in the world and the Hereafter, and they have no protecting friend nor helper in the earth.

— Quran, 9:73-74

[QaxootiWaaxid]

A man embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism. Mu'adh bin Jabal came and saw the man with Abu Musa. Mu'adh asked, "What is wrong with this (man)?" Abu Musa replied, "He embraced Islam and then reverted back to Judaism." Mu'adh said, "I will not sit down unless you kill him (as it is) the verdict of Allah and His Apostle.

— Sahih al-Bukhari, 9:89:271

You have to remember Somalis or born muslims didn't choose to be muslims but were born muslim because of their family(alhamdulillah). So it's not like they're turning back on a religion they chose to be in.

That doesn't matter, everyone is born a Muslim. Allah and His Prophet are clear.

[SiennaEarth]

So should the kafirs be killed as well because they were born Muslims as babies?

[QaxootiWaaxid]

So should the kafirs be killed as well because they were born Muslims as babies?

According to hadith,

"Every child is born in a state of fitrah (the natural state of man: Islam), then his parents make him into a Jew or a Christian or a Magian."

so no.

If you're born and raised as a Muslim you must stay Muslim or the punishment is killing the apostate. According to shariah law they are given 3 days to reconsider. If they don't believe again they are to be killed.

[FAH1223]

So should the kafirs be killed as well because they were born Muslims as babies?

According to hadith,

"Every child is born in a state of fitrah (the natural state of man: Islam), then his parents make him into a Jew or a Christian or a Magian."

so no.

If you're born and raised as a Muslim you must stay Muslim or the punishment is killing the apostate. According to shariah law they are given 3 days to reconsider. If they don't believe again they are to be killed.

There are many apostastes, how should the punishment be carried out? Do you support us being vigilantes and going to another Somali person in the area and dictating the terms?

[QaxootiWaaxid]

So should the kafirs be killed as well because they were born Muslims as babies?

According to hadith,

"Every child is born in a state of fitrah (the natural state of man: Islam), then his parents make him into a Jew or a Christian or a Magian."

so no.

If you're born and raised as a Muslim you must stay Muslim or the punishment is killing the apostate. According to shariah law they are given 3 days to reconsider. If they don't believe again they are to be killed.

There are many apostastes, how should the punishment be carried out? Do you support us being vigilantes and going to another Somali person in the area and dictating the terms?

I'm not going to incriminate myself, just giving the agreed upon Islamic command on what to do with these apostates.

I will say this though, would there be a rise in Somali apostates if they started to see real consequences for their disbelief?

[inaXasan]

these hadiths are exactly what drives people away from Islam. It gives islam haters a thing to attack the religion with.

imo Hadith are not like the Quran. Hadiths came 200 years after the prophet and we dont even know if they are lies or true. Hadiths can be dismissed if they are irrelevant and these hadiths are too vile and babaric so they must be dismissed.

Killing someone for leaving islam is the most idiotic rule in the world. Christians convert to Islam and leave christianity and its all well and you celebrate, the christians don't care but a Muslim leaves islam to join whatever and you want to kill him?? disgusting and evil mindset. This will show the rest of the world that Christianity is more peaceful and tolerant than Islam

I blame islamaphobia on people like you.

[QaxootiWaaxid]

these hadiths are exactly what drives people away from Islam. It gives islam haters a thing to attack the religion with.

imo Hadith are not like the Quran. Hadiths came 200 years after the prophet and we dont even know if they are lies or true. Hadiths can be dismissed if they are irrelevant and these hadiths are too vile and babaric so they must be dismissed.

Killing someone for leaving islam is the most idiotic rule in the world. Christians convert to Islam and leave christianity and its all well and you celebrate, the christians don't care but a Muslim leaves islam to join whatever and you want to kill him?? disgusting and evil mindset. This will show the rest of the world that Christianity is more peaceful and tolerant than Islam

I blame islamaphobia on people like you.

Aren't you an apostate?

In Islam we must submit to Allah, that's what the world Islam means. Submission.

It doesn't matter if you think something is "vile and barbaric". You must submit and accept Islam completely, with all its rulings.

You clearly have a hard time accepting this and it's why you've apostated and are doomed to a painful doom in this world and the Hereafter as Allah said in the Quran.

[inaXasan]

then in that case i refuse to submit to or accept these types Hadiths. Call me apostate or whatever idc but i will never support killing someone for no reason even if Allah Himself ordered me to do it.

[1nemansquad]

i don't think of them

[Shirib]

i don't think of them

lol that's probably the best answer

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Qaxootiwaaxid.. Islam is not a mafia organisation whichs if you leave it you will be killed.. you can not force someone to believe something which they dont believe it... and there are plenty of evidance in the Quran that There is No Compulsion in islam... Quran is the word of God and hadiths supposed to be actions and word of the Prophet.. so lets say if hadiths contradics What God said. then which one should be taken as trues.. of course the Quran should be always No 1 source..

Quran clearly says

la ikraha fiddin

which means There is No Compulsion in Religion... MUSLIMS should follow the Quran more than they follow hadiiths whichs full thousends of fabricated hadiiths...

You can leave the islam as you wish because There is No Compulsion in Religion..

[QaxootiWaaxid]

Qaxootiwaaxid.. Islam is not a mafia organisation whichs if you leave it you will be killed.. you can not force someone to believe something which they dont believe it... and there are plenty of evidance in the Quran that There is No Compulsion in islam... Quran is the word of God and hadiths supposed to be actions and word of the Prophet.. so lets say if hadiths contradics What God said. then which one should be taken as trues.. of course the Quran should be always No 1 source..

Quran clearly says

la ikraha fiddin

which means There is No Compulsion in Religion... MUSLIMS should follow the Quran more than they follow hadiiths whichs full thousends of fabricated hadiiths...

You can leave the islam as you wish because There is No Compulsion in Religion..

These are all Saheeh ahadith from Saheeh Bukhari.

There is ijma'a (consensus) among the scholars of all the major schools of Islam. The apostate must be killed.

They only differ on whether to give them 3 days to believe in Islam. Some say give them 3 days. Some say strike them immediately.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Quran is biggar than Bukhaari.. mr Bukhaari lived 250 years after prophets sc died... There are thousends of thousends fabricated bukhaari hadiiths my friend... why why isn't anough for you the word of GOD (QURAN)) .. God says clearly "La ikraaha fidiin.. There is No Compulsion in Religion.. is Bukhaari biggar than God ?? i dont think so... God words should be anough.... killing people of leaving religion is un islamic.. its against what God said....