How ISIS Drives Muslims From Islam

[Twist]

THE Islamic State has visibly attracted young Muslims from all over the world to its violent movement to build a caliphate in Iraq and Syria. But here’s what’s less visible — the online backlash against the Islamic State, also known as ISIS and ISIL, by young Muslims declaring their opposition to rule by Islamic law, or Shariah, and even proudly avowing their atheism. Nadia Oweidat, a senior fellow at the New America Foundation, who tracks how Arab youths use the Internet, says the phenomenon “is mushrooming — the brutality of the Islamic State is exacerbating the issue and even pushing some young Muslims away from Islam.”

On Nov. 24, BBC.com published a piece on what was trending on Twitter. It began: “A growing social media conversation in Arabic is calling for the implementation of Shariah, or Islamic law, to be abandoned. Discussing religious law is a sensitive topic in many Muslim countries. But on Twitter, a hashtag which translates as ‘why we reject implementing Shariah’ has been used 5,000 times in 24 hours. The conversation is mainly taking place in Saudi Arabia and Egypt. The debate is about whether religious law is suitable for the needs of Arab countries and modern legal systems. Dr. Alyaa Gad, an Egyptian doctor living in Switzerland, started the hashtag. ‘I have nothing against religion,’ she tells BBC Trending, but says she is against ‘using it as a political system.’ ”

The BBC added that “many others joined in the conversation, using the hashtag, listing reasons why Arabs and Muslims should abandon Shariah. ‘Because there’s not a single positive example of it bringing justice and equality,’ one man tweeted. ... A Saudi woman commented: ‘By adhering to Shariah we are adhering to inhumane laws. Saudi Arabia is saturated with the blood of those executed by Sharia. ”

Ismail Mohamed, an Egyptian on a mission to create freedom of conscience there, started a program called “Black Ducks” to offer a space where agnostic and atheist Arabs can speak freely about their right to choose what they believe and resist coercion and misogyny from religious authorities. He is part of a growing Arab Atheists Network. For Arab news written by Arabs that gets right in the face of autocrats and religious extremists also check out freearabs.com.

Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/07/opini ... islam.html

[EvolSyawla]

Dang. Just read this article this morning.



But they're as silly as ISIS who are using Islam for their political purposes - How can you take the actions of a group to change what you were raised with? ISIS didn't change Islam, only their interpretation of it. The quran has not changed, neither has the deen.

These Arab youth shouldn't allow ISIS to define Islam for them and therefore drive them away. When did they gain monopoly over our religion? People say Somalis are the sheep in their herd, but at least we are not gaining momentum in an anti-Islam movement lol

If they wanted to really make a difference, they'd denounce the fact that ISIS were Muslim at all lol. Otherwise they're full of ____ and feeding an ulterior motive - or just stupid.

[nord]

85% of Egyptians support sharia law.. these people are a very very small minority that the media is giving attention to.

[Shirib]

Well there goes the problem, all those who are saying that have two problems
1) Their Imaan is weak
2) Their knowledge of Islam is pretty bad as well

If you have good imaan and know your diin, you could easily say that ISIS and groups like it are far from Islam's teachings and what the sharia's objectives are like. Folks should actually try learning their own religion and not let groups like ISIS define it for them.

[EvolSyawla]

@nord Does sharia law include ISIS' interpretation?

I don't think anyone supports that.















...Wait I don't support what they're doing. Maybe I should leave Islam too....

[Righteous]

Change the title to: How the ISRAELI SECRET INTELLIGENCE SERVICE drives NAIVE and STUPID "Muslims" away from Islam. Even that is a stretch, the jews can try, but even AlQaeda failed to drive Muslims away from Islam.
ISIS is a zionist organisation, headed by a JEW named Simon, for god's sake, the name is not only a nickname for M O S S A D, it's also the name of a pagan goddess.

[Jabuutawi]

If ISIS is driving Muslims from Islam, they were never true believers in the first place.

[YummyMummy]

We are in testing times. People are slowly being fine filtered to distinguish between believers. Allow noo sahal, aamiin

[Cherine]

There's a verse in the Qur'an that says 'if you (Prophet Muhammed) had been harsh hearted with them they would have surely fled from you'.

These Salafis have made life a living hell for people in Saudi Arabia. So many restrictions and crazy bedioun laws that even other Gulf Arabs just shake their head in disbelief. Saudi Arabians have pretty low self esteem. Other Gulf Arabs are super content with their lives and very happy with their leaders. Saudis on the other hand from what i've observed are always complaining. I was watching this video of an Emarati girl cruising in her latest super expensive car and the comments below from the Saudi girls Many of them revealing they are housebound and can't go anywhere because there's no one to take them out. You can imagine what a lifetime of living like this(not just the driving & house arrest but all the other restrictions affecting both men & women) will do to one's Iman.

[FAH1223]

I'm not surprised. I think gurey25 here stated that most of these extremists themselves end up becoming secular atheist/agnostics after time.

And these Arabs by and large do not know their deen yet the Qur'an is in their language. I can't tell you how many of these secular Arabs that are around. In Egypt, I remember some of these youth being so shocked that I, as an American, actually prayed regularly and thought that all Muslims in the West were "free"

[Leftist]

For those of you who delusionally think this is merely an Arab problem, say hello to what a 5 second google search turned up:







And the above is only to be expected when pure-bullshit like:

- Slavery is xalaal; You can buy'em, fuck'em(no consent required but it isn't rape. el o el, didn't read), and after you are done with them, "gift" them to your friends, or sell them at the slave-market.

- Only an Arab and/or member of Quraysh can be a Caliph.....Because of the superiority of Qurayshi/Arab bloodline. (but hey hey hey, we're all equal in Islam. It's just that some of us are more equal than others, youlo.)

- A woman cannot be a head of state.....Because women are weak and deficient in intellect (Margaret Thatcher says wuz hunnin' doe.... #treehunna #falklands)

- If a woman refuses to sleep with her husband, she will be cursed by angels. And as such, a husband can forcibly penetrate his wife, and it's not considered rape......Because she "owes" him "sex on tap", whenever he wants it. So yeah, not only can you rape your slaves, but you can rape your wife as well.

The above is considered to be unquestionable dogma; yacni, if you question or disagree with any of the aforementioned bullshit(and it is bullshit), then you are a murtad/gaal/munaafiq.

The only thing that will save our deen is a paradigm-shifting Reformation, away from the khuraafaat and the khuzacbalaat of calcified & laughable dogma and fabricated fictitious hadiths that was created for the benefit of the ruling elite and to subjugate society in the name of God; and towards a return to the original, progressive, and revolutionary mission of Islam: wamaa arsalnaaka ilaa raxmatin lil caalimeen, a mission of universal mercy to ALL of mankind(including non-muslims), a mission for revolutionary freedom, compassion, and accountability. What this will require is for centuries-old established dogma to be first discredited, intellectually and theologically, and then discarded into the dustbin of history. <--- This will provoke and throw the orthodoxy and the weak masaakiin minds they control into a hysterical frenzy: "Nacala kuugu yaalo, murtadyahow, ma waxaa rabtaa deenteena inaa naga badashid. Khaaaak Tuuuf, nacala murtad!"

Examples of areas that need a Reformation(and it is coming, my neegars, the Reformation IS COMING):

- Absolute freedom of religion, belief, and worship. A person can become Muslim today, Budhhist tommorow, and a Pastafarian saa'dambe. Or a mix of all 3, simultaneously. Maxaa kaa galay?

- Universal freedom & equality. A muslim cannot and will not be treated better than a non-muslim. No, we are not "better" than anybody. We're human beings with all of the weakness and fallibility that entails, just like the rest of the 6 billion humans on earth.

- Abolishing jizya. Do we muslims pay a special "muslim tax" in the West? So why the fuck should non-muslims living in Muslim lands pay jizya? The current oppressive semi-slavery iqamah system in the khaleej has it's origins in jizya; you need special permission from your owner(kafeel) to travel from city to city.

- Abolishing slavery. No ifs or buts. The absolute quickest way to make people reject Islam is to tell them it allows slavery and concubinage.

If these basic precepts of humanity & justice that all human beings expect and aspire for cannot be met, well then, expect the current trickle of atheists in the mold of Twist(closeted) to turn into a gushing river of Abdi-Johnson/WiglessBidaar(crusading-atheists) And that 5 second google search is proof-positive.

But nah, keep on living in the mythical world of utopia, a world of "seeking purity", of "following the salaf-ul-salalix", a world where women are niqab-wearing chaste virgins(lol) and men are bearded & honorable(double lol). Because virginity and beards is the most important shiznit on earth, more important than poverty, starvation, illiteracy, and oppression. Because, you know, we gotta tightly regulate sex to avoid the evils of adultery and zina, except for us males who can get an unlimited supply of sex from purchasing concubines like they were livestock. Yeah, that totally makes sense........right?.....uh, right?

Because if you close your eyes hard enough, and believe in your bullshit, and the bullshit taught to you by dead men who lived centuries ago, well then, you fall under the quranic ayah: "inama wajadnaa abaa'anaa calaa umatin wa'inaa calaa aathariihim muqtadoon"(we have found our forefathers(Ina Sufyaan, Ina Wahaab, Ina Baaz, etc) on a certain path, and we are following their pathway". Ironically, if you read the tafseer of that ayah, it is referring to the Qurayshi pagans who rejected the message of Islam because they wanted to be "pure" and "literalist" to the dogma laid down by their forefathers: paganism. Today, we have motherfaaraxs who are insisting that there is only "one way"(their way), the pure way, the way of the salaf, and anybody who doesn't agree with them is hell-bound. The irony abounds.

I don't blame ISIS or Boko Haram; I blame the cowardice and laziness of classical Muslim scholars throughout the centuries which resulted ine the doors of ijtihaad(logical reasoning & interpretation to meet new challenges and scenarios) being closed, and thusly, left the Muslim ummah forced to rely on a twisted, archaic, and misbegotten version of Islam for centuries to come. The rest of the world moved the fuck on and evolved(yeah, gotta problem with that word?) towards a certain standard of decency and human rights; yet we remain stuck with bullshit like: slavery is xalaal.(oh yeah? it's xalaal? miyaa jeclaan lahayd inaa hooyadaa la adoonsado oo habayn'ba dhinac loo gediyo oo doggystyle loogu raaxaysto? No? Why not doe? Yacni, it's ok for other human beings to be slaves and to be raped, just not you and your family...because lemme guess: "you're special" because "you're superior". The pathetically infantile reasoning of these maangabs would be laughable if it wasn't tragically serious with real-life consequences in Nigeria and Iraq. It's 2014 and we got insipid pieces of shit claiming the "right of slavery" thanks to the teachings of salafist dogma)

Time to kickstart the Reformation, motherfaaraxs. I'm tam'bout Martin Luther banging in the doors of Catholic orthodoxy with his revolutionary edicts. I'm tam'bout storming the gated ivory tower of High Shaykh-hood, just like the Bastille was stormed. I'm tam'bout......well, you get what I'm tam'bout. Enough metaphorical imagery.

Time to let the dogma of literalist mada-beeches burn. Burn, baby, burn.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Every time i read this great professor Leftist, walaahi waxaa iga soo hara.. waaw waaw waaw true true runloow. brother maskaxdaada great waaaq kuugu deeqay its just amazing.... Somalia needs people like Leftist..

[KnowThySelf23]

Preaaaachhh leftist!!!! I honestly wish their were more people who think like you

[ciddhartha]

Leftist,

First, I applaud you for saying what others refuse to acknowledge.

To the point, you start on a slippery slope when you chip away at the foundation of Islam. Allah condones slavery and concubines and polygamy and sexism and homophobia...you take these away because they are objectively immoral. I ask you, what do you do with the edicts that are vague and arbitrary (in a moral sense)? If slavery is no longer A-Ok then why can't pork and alcohol be okay?

Martin Luther dismantled the formal relationship of God > Priest > Man and the industry built around it. He did not throw the Old Testament out the window. What you're suggesting is slashing away at the revealed word of Allah, the foundation of Islam.

If you want to believe in a personal god, go right ahead. But people believe strongly in Islam as it stands now, so just leave the faith and define your spirituality as you please.

[Twist]

For those of you who delusionally think this is merely an Arab problem, say hello to what a 5 second google search turned up:







And the above is only to be expected when pure-bullshit like:

- Slavery is xalaal; You can buy'em, fuck'em(no consent required but it isn't rape. el o el, didn't read), and after you are done with them, "gift" them to your friends, or sell them at the slave-market.

- Only an Arab and/or member of Quraysh can be a Caliph.....Because of the superiority of Qurayshi/Arab bloodline. (but hey hey hey, we're all equal in Islam. It's just that some of us are more equal than others, youlo.)

- A woman cannot be a head of state.....Because women are weak and deficient in intellect (Margaret Thatcher says wuz hunnin' doe.... #treehunna #falklands)

- If a woman refuses to sleep with her husband, she will be cursed by angels. And as such, a husband can forcibly penetrate his wife, and it's not considered rape......Because she "owes" him "sex on tap", whenever he wants it. So yeah, not only can you rape your slaves, but you can rape your wife as well.

The above is considered to be unquestionable dogma; yacni, if you question or disagree with any of the aforementioned bullshit(and it is bullshit), then you are a murtad/gaal/munaafiq.

The only thing that will save our deen is a paradigm-shifting Reformation, away from the khuraafaat and the khuzacbalaat of calcified & laughable dogma and fabricated fictitious hadiths that was created for the benefit of the ruling elite and to subjugate society in the name of God; and towards a return to the original, progressive, and revolutionary mission of Islam: wamaa arsalnaaka ilaa raxmatin lil caalimeen, a mission of universal mercy to ALL of mankind(including non-muslims), a mission for revolutionary freedom, compassion, and accountability. What this will require is for centuries-old established dogma to be first discredited, intellectually and theologically, and then discarded into the dustbin of history. <--- This will provoke and throw the orthodoxy and the weak masaakiin minds they control into a hysterical frenzy: "Nacala kuugu yaalo, murtadyahow, ma waxaa rabtaa deenteena inaa naga badashid. Khaaaak Tuuuf, nacala murtad!"

Examples of areas that need a Reformation(and it is coming, my neegars, the Reformation IS COMING):

- Absolute freedom of religion, belief, and worship. A person can become Muslim today, Budhhist tommorow, and a Pastafarian saa'dambe. Or a mix of all 3, simultaneously. Maxaa kaa galay?

- Universal freedom & equality. A muslim cannot and will not be treated better than a non-muslim. No, we are not "better" than anybody. We're human beings with all of the weakness and fallibility that entails, just like the rest of the 6 billion humans on earth.

- Abolishing jizya. Do we muslims pay a special "muslim tax" in the West? So why the fuck should non-muslims living in Muslim lands pay jizya? The current oppressive semi-slavery iqamah system in the khaleej has it's origins in jizya; you need special permission from your owner(kafeel) to travel from city to city.

- Abolishing slavery. No ifs or buts. The absolute quickest way to make people reject Islam is to tell them it allows slavery and concubinage.

If these basic precepts of humanity & justice that all human beings expect and aspire for cannot be met, well then, expect the current trickle of atheists in the mold of Twist(closeted) to turn into a gushing river of Abdi-Johnson/WiglessBidaar(crusading-atheists) And that 5 second google search is proof-positive.

But nah, keep on living in the mythical world of utopia, a world of "seeking purity", of "following the salaf-ul-salalix", a world where women are niqab-wearing chaste virgins(lol) and men are bearded & honorable(double lol). Because virginity and beards is the most important shiznit on earth, more important than poverty, starvation, illiteracy, and oppression. Because, you know, we gotta tightly regulate sex to avoid the evils of adultery and zina, except for us males who can get an unlimited supply of sex from purchasing concubines like they were livestock. Yeah, that totally makes sense........right?.....uh, right?

Because if you close your eyes hard enough, and believe in your bullshit, and the bullshit taught to you by dead men who lived centuries ago, well then, you fall under the quranic ayah: "inama wajadnaa abaa'anaa calaa umatin wa'inaa calaa aathariihim muqtadoon"(we have found our forefathers(Ina Sufyaan, Ina Wahaab, Ina Baaz, etc) on a certain path, and we are following their pathway". Ironically, if you read the tafseer of that ayah, it is referring to the Qurayshi pagans who rejected the message of Islam because they wanted to be "pure" and "literalist" to the dogma laid down by their forefathers: paganism. Today, we have motherfaaraxs who are insisting that there is only "one way"(their way), the pure way, the way of the salaf, and anybody who doesn't agree with them is hell-bound. The irony abounds.

I don't blame ISIS or Boko Haram; I blame the cowardice and laziness of classical Muslim scholars throughout the centuries which resulted ine the doors of ijtihaad(logical reasoning & interpretation to meet new challenges and scenarios) being closed, and thusly, left the Muslim ummah forced to rely on a twisted, archaic, and misbegotten version of Islam for centuries to come. The rest of the world moved the fuck on and evolved(yeah, gotta problem with that word?) towards a certain standard of decency and human rights; yet we remain stuck with bullshit like: slavery is xalaal.(oh yeah? it's xalaal? miyaa jeclaan lahayd inaa hooyadaa la adoonsado oo habayn'ba dhinac loo gediyo oo doggystyle loogu raaxaysto? No? Why not doe? Yacni, it's ok for other human beings to be slaves and to be raped, just not you and your family...because lemme guess: "you're special" because "you're superior". The pathetically infantile reasoning of these maangabs would be laughable if it wasn't tragically serious with real-life consequences in Nigeria and Iraq. It's 2014 and we got insipid pieces of shit claiming the "right of slavery" thanks to the teachings of salafist dogma)

Time to kickstart the Reformation, motherfaaraxs. I'm tam'bout Martin Luther banging in the doors of Catholic orthodoxy with his revolutionary edicts. I'm tam'bout storming the gated ivory tower of High Shaykh-hood, just like the Bastille was stormed. I'm tam'bout......well, you get what I'm tam'bout. Enough metaphorical imagery.

Time to let the dogma of literalist mada-beeches burn. Burn, baby, burn.

I am Twist and I approve this post.

If these basic precepts of humanity & justice that all human beings expect and aspire for cannot be met, well then, expect the current trickle of atheists in the mold of Twist(closeted) to turn into a gushing river of Abdi-Johnson/WiglessBidaar(crusading-atheists) And that 5 second google search is proof-positive.

No, I am closeted, mate. I have been struggling with religion for years and ultimately decided that it wasn't for me in the last few years, and yeah, very few Snet buddies knew where I stood regarding dogma. But I am not the argumentative type, specially not on Snet, and don't have the passion or/and knowledge to tell others what to believe or not to believe so 99 % of the time I keep/kept it to myself, apart from few exchanges here and there that came up during certain discussions regarding religion.

And most importantly, I do not describe myself as an atheist but an agnostic. There.