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Re: Slaves and Slavery in Islam and the treaty on it.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:18 am
by Typhoon
For me--I ask the BIG question. Why does Islam allow hierarchies of class. Why is there no clause that states ALL HUMAN BEINGS ARE EQUAL, clearly and without confusion of language. The existence of slave is obvious--WHY???? The existence of servants??? Why?? The existence of Poor people? Why"""""?? Is it possible that Allaah saw is trying to tell us something inherent about ourselves? I mean, the adoon is clearly declared inferior in the Quran. The question why? Is it a guide to how we need to interact with each other knowing full well of different people limitations? Why are there roles??? Is it a machination of bringing order if everyone assumes the roles? A woman is half less a man. A slave is equal or half less a woman. An Adoon man is half less a nasaan man? What then? Big questions huh?
WHAT THE FOK!, i didn`t know basra had atheist tendencies.
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).
Re: Slaves and Slavery in Islam and the treaty on it.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:22 am
by Basra-
For me--I ask the BIG question. Why does Islam allow hierarchies of class. Why is there no clause that states ALL HUMAN BEINGS ARE EQUAL, clearly and without confusion of language. The existence of slave is obvious--WHY???? The existence of servants??? Why?? The existence of Poor people? Why"""""?? Is it possible that Allaah saw is trying to tell us something inherent about ourselves? I mean, the adoon is clearly declared inferior in the Quran. The question why? Is it a guide to how we need to interact with each other knowing full well of different people limitations? Why are there roles??? Is it a machination of bringing order if everyone assumes the roles? A woman is half less a man. A slave is equal or half less a woman. An Adoon man is half less a nasaan man? What then? Big questions huh?
WHAT THE FOK!, i didn`t know basra had atheist tendencies.
O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of God is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And God has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).
Ok then!!!!! Your second quote CLEARLY indicate ALL men are created equal. Therefore, this answers the question of slavery. So slavery perhaps is not such a bad thing then. My original argument was--maybe --slaves is another name for a servant. This time--I can say- slaves are tribes too. If ALL mankind is created from a single pair, then we are ALL equal. The hierarchy exists so that we may 'know' each other not despise each other! Thanks Typhoon, u have answered my question. Class and hierarchy exist so that we can 'know' each other and not despise each other. The most righteous person among us, is the noble and preferred nasaab by Alaah saw!
Re: Slaves and Slavery in Islam and the treaty on it.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:23 am
by Gabre
The Quran has made it *very clear* that having sex with war captives is permitted. Slavery is completely legal in Islam.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ma_malakat_aymanukum
Slaves are mentioned in at least 29 verses of the Quran, mostly about freeing them and sexual relations with them.
It was a key part of how Islam got to our part of the world in east Africa, the huge Arab slave trade.
Re: Slaves and Slavery in Islam and the treaty on it.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:25 am
by Twist
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL!
Re: Slaves and Slavery in Islam and the treaty on it.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:25 am
by Basra-
Wikipedia is a decrepit source of information and credibility!
Re: Slaves and Slavery in Islam and the treaty on it
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:29 am
by VeiledGarbasar
The Sharia law ALLOWS treaties, and there is no where in Islam that encourages salves. Therefore it is banned! Prohibited. War balaayo aan aragne!
Let me remind you lot, that their were several treaties.
Slavery was abolished [in Saudi Arabia] in 1386 AH, and there are no slaves any more.
Zumaale,
Really macaan, one minute talking about Islam etc, the next time getting all personal about my grandmother.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL@ Gabre
Wallahi for some people it is all about sex, war waxaan intaay nooga imadeen. For f's sake someone take them to the nearest lab.
Re: Slaves and Slavery in Islam and the treaty on it.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:37 am
by Gabre
You're confusing between encouraging and permitting. Nowhere am I saying Islam encourages slavery. However, it's absolutely false to say it was ever banned in Islam. It was only recently banned in the last 50 years by white colonialists in Muslim countries.
1386 AH is 1966. The kafala system that replaced it in Saudi Arabia and many other Arab countries is actually de facto slavery but even worse in some respects.
Again, you're really just projecting about the sex thing. I'm just correcting you on the Islamic position with regards to the legality of slavery. Whatever else you insert there about my intentions is all in your head.
Re: Slaves and Slavery in Islam and the treaty on it
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 8:46 am
by zumaale
The Sharia law ALLOWS treaties, and there is no where in Islam that encourages salves. Therefore it is banned! Prohibited. War balaayo aan aragne!
Let me remind you lot, that their were several treaties.
Slavery was abolished [in Saudi Arabia] in 1386 AH, and there are no slaves any more.
Zumaale,
Really macaan, one minute talking about Islam etc, the next time getting all personal about my grandmother.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL@ Gabre
Wallahi for some people it is all about sex, war waxaan intaay nooga imadeen. For f's sake someone take them to the nearest lab.
Ma been ba sheege? Any of our ayeeyos could have been a slave, Allahu Aclam, it did occur. No shame in it, any children from her would have been xalal.
Secondly, you are talking hogwash with your evidence. No treaty can override what Allah made halal and no man can make it haram either by the scribble of a pen.
Re: Slaves and Slavery in Islam and the treaty on it.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:02 am
by Gabre
Also about the treaty thing: in Islam we cannot change Allah's word at our whim. Treaties you can sign on whatever between states, but not if they go against Allah and his commandments.
In the 1970s Siyaad Barre decided to go against the rules laid out in the Quran about dividing inheritance. He wanted to have equal inheritance for men and women, whereas the Quran explicitly says women are to receive half of mens portion. This became a huge point of contention as several Islamic wadaads rose up against Siyaad Barre and denounced him for this. Men would protest about it in huge crowds every Friday after Jumca. In response, he gathered 10 of the wadaado and shot them all on January 23 1975.
Re: Slaves and Slavery in Islam and the treaty on it
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:18 am
by Basra-
The Sharia law ALLOWS treaties, and there is no where in Islam that encourages salves. Therefore it is banned! Prohibited. War balaayo aan aragne!
Let me remind you lot, that their were several treaties.
Slavery was abolished [in Saudi Arabia] in 1386 AH, and there are no slaves any more.
Zumaale,
Really macaan, one minute talking about Islam etc, the next time getting all personal about my grandmother.
LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL@ Gabre
Wallahi for some people it is all about sex, war waxaan intaay nooga imadeen. For f's sake someone take them to the nearest lab.
Gabasaar
Never mind Zumaale. She is obsessed with Bantu people, because she looks like one or is one. Anything that connects her with Bantus plight or discussion gives her orgasm! She goes so far as insinuating we all have adoon slave ayeeyo in our history, fcuked yeah, but that's zu for u. a capital, bantu wecel lesbo! lol
Ma been ba sheege? Any of our ayeeyos could have been a slave, Allahu Aclam, it did occur. No shame in it, any children from her would have been xalal.
Secondly, you are talking hogwash with your evidence. No treaty can override what Allah made halal and no man can make it haram either by the scribble of a pen.
Re: Slaves and Slavery in Islam and the treaty on it.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:31 am
by VeiledGarbasar
Looooooooooooooooooooool@ Basra! For real inaanka caadi mahaan. Kulaha enslaved grandmothers.
With Zumaale and Gabre logic my husband is allowed to rape me, if I refuse to have sex with him? Because let's face it husbands aren't banned from sex with their wives in Islam.
In fact lets forget about deducting laws from the ones already there! Everything has to be black and white in Islam for these two.
Everything in Islam suggest banning slavery in Islam. Allah swt does not encourage slavery, neither did the prophet Muhammad pbuh.
Re: Slaves and Slavery in Islam and the treaty on it.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 9:54 am
by Typhoon
VeiledGarbasar
i find your mind interesting
there two types of thinking
direct thinking and mythic thinking
Directed thinking demonstrates its more developed format by being
purposeful, organised (syntax focus) etc. and gives us a sense of direction.
mythic thinking
mythic thinking is associated with
'fantasy' thinking
you have mythic mind
Do you know the difference in law between regulated and banned?
in islam this how we classify things not just halal and harm, life is more complex then that
-Permissible
-Encouraged and Permissible
-Discouraged but Permissible
-Haram
Re: Slaves and Slavery in Islam and the treaty on it.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 10:44 am
by VeiledGarbasar
Thanks for the analysis.
But it's banned now, so the regulations and what not are irrelevant.
Re: Slaves and Slavery in Islam and the treaty on it.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 1:18 pm
by HusseinHassan
Thanks for the analysis.
But it's banned now, so the regulations and what not are irrelevant.
are you saying, the islamic regulations and the word of allah are irrelevant?
Re: Slaves and Slavery in Islam and the treaty on it.
Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 3:13 pm
by BeyondQabil
Also about the treaty thing: in Islam we cannot change Allah's word at our whim. Treaties you can sign on whatever between states, but not if they go against Allah and his commandments.
In the 1970s Siyaad Barre decided to go against the rules laid out in the Quran about dividing inheritance. He wanted to have equal inheritance for men and women, whereas the Quran explicitly says women are to receive half of mens portion. This became a huge point of contention as several Islamic wadaads rose up against Siyaad Barre and denounced him for this. Men would protest about it in huge crowds every Friday after Jumca. In response, he gathered 10 of the wadaado and shot them all on January 23 1975.
Did he do a good thing to kill the fools?