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Re: East African Girls

Postby Sophisticate » Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:43 am

:Shrug: You wanted an answer and I gave you one. The other man has less competition for mates. He's probably more attentive. He could be more virile. Plus, I've learned in life at my age that hotties normally aren't considerably funny (good looking comedians are hard to come by) . Tall men rarely live exceptionally long lives (I don't know if this has anything to do with shrinkage), all I can tell you is a lot of seniors aren't basketball player height (in general).
That's the only one I'm letting you get away with. While you do have a point there, I think you misunderstood my example. The two can only be differentiated by the height, bidaar and financial status.

Just admit it. :lol:

You'd choose the former. No shame in admitting it. :up:

I plan for the long haul. I'm not into instant gratification. That's more of a male thing.


Now calm down there. While some men tend to skew towards that selfish behaviour; there are noble men out there.
Also how does one increase SEV index?
More than happy to answer your question. :D

When I was 18 I got laser PR surgery which freed me from wearing glasses/contacts. This is considered a positive increase in my SEV because I looked horrible when wearing glasses. Another example is whitening your teeth. A male experiencing hair loss can go on Finasteride/Propecia to save his hair thus keeping his youthful look. Even going to the gym and packing on 20/30 lbs of muscle can drastically increase your SEV. Get it now?

For women it's generally the same thing. Just be fit, watch what you eat and don't go whoring around. While a man would have no problem having sex with you, he'd never marry you because it'd be considered a risk. Both sexes can also work on their charm/charisma/personality and knowledge in Art, Science and History. I'm sure you get the gist of it now. The issue is whether people are willing to commit the effort and discipline in achieving their maxium Sexual Economic Value.
Say she has 20/20 vision, works out, consumes a steady diet of whole foods and doesn't have premarital relations. What if her appearance or health becomes compromised due to an "accident" or "unexpected illness." So long SEV. Let's not forget the aging process. If we're talking value now, then waning fertility is likely to make this type of female less attractive, even though she keeps her shirt buttoned all the way up. :Shrug: Don't play games with me phinks, don't! :ufdup:

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Re: East African Girls

Postby Phinks » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:16 am

Say she has 20/20 vision, works out, consumes a steady diet of whole foods and doesn't have premarital relations. What if her appearance or health becomes compromised due to an "accident" or "unexpected illness." So long SEV.
I can use that exact same argument as well sophisticate. What if a man was fit, wealthy and over 6'2" then sustains an "accident" or "unexpected illness". It goes both ways regardless of the sex. It's unfortunate but alas; that's life for you. :Shrug:

Anyway, I don't know why you're relying on using extreme examples to bolster your stance on the matter. :lol:

Let's not forget the aging process.
I'm sorry but I was under the impression that ageing affects both sexes. Not understanding where you're coming from.
If we're talking value now, then waning fertility is likely to make this type of female less attractive, even though she keeps her shirt buttoned all the way up. :Shrug:
Now you're just giving "what if" examples. :comeon:

Again, it is unfortunate but who said life is fair? Sadly, this is something that is imperative to female Biology. For me and you to question this, we'd be questioning Allah (swt).
Don't play games with me Phinks, don't!

War yaa Islam!

Why you getting angry for??!! :mindblown:

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Re: East African Girls

Postby EvolSyawla » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:18 am

^ I think what you can both agree on is that beauty is subjective to both tastes (a plethora of factors that create tastes) and circumstance.

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Re: East African Girls

Postby Phinks » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:46 am

No.

I still stand by what I'm saying. How you and the females here can overtly post their preferences of their potential partner being over 6 foot and not having a bidaar is proof of my proposed theory Evolsyawla.

At the end of the day women only want;

- Height
- Money
- Brute strength
- Security
- Charm
- Leadership
- Intelligence
- No Bidaar

Men want;

- Supple breasts
- A tight ass/big booty
- long hair
- youth
- Nobody else's children
- Isn't a financial risk
- Is not batshit crazy

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Re: East African Girls

Postby Sophisticate » Mon Feb 23, 2015 2:56 am

Say she has 20/20 vision, works out, consumes a steady diet of whole foods and doesn't have premarital relations. What if her appearance or health becomes compromised due to an "accident" or "unexpected illness." So long SEV.
I can use that exact same argument as well sophisticate. What if a man was fit, wealthy and over 6'2" then sustains an "accident" or "unexpected illness". It goes both ways regardless of the sex. It's unfortunate but alas; that's life for you. :Shrug:

Anyway, I don't know why you're relying on using extreme examples to bolster your stance on the matter. :lol:

Let's not forget the aging process.
I'm sorry but I was under the impression that ageing affects both sexes. Not understanding where you're coming from.
If we're talking value now, then waning fertility is likely to make this type of female less attractive, even though she keeps her shirt buttoned all the way up.
Now you're just giving "what if" examples. :comeon:

Again, it is unfortunate but who said life is fair? Sadly, this is something that is imperative to female Biology. For me and you to question this, we'd be questioning Allah (swt).
Don't play games with me Phinks, don't!

War yaa Islam!

Why you getting angry for??!! :mindblown:
I'm merely arguing for the sake of it. It's already a flawed premise, which is - face it, men are shallow, they will likely leave in hard times whereas women endure and would serve as custodians to a spouse under the same circumstances. Their male counterparts would likely leave them in a long term care home. I'm sure that isn't the case. We're talking about Somali men here. Perhaps the pious ones would tough it out. Phinks when I mentioned the aging process I wasn't talking about old age. I love extreme cases, who doesn't? And they aren't extreme but possible eventualities. Does that make you feel uncomfortable? Btw I was referring to a steady decline in female fertility over the years. I did not allude to infertility per se. I'm not angry. :lol:

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Re: East African Girls

Postby Phinks » Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:36 am

I'm merely arguing for the sake of it. It's already a flawed premise, which is - face it, men are shallow, they will likely leave in hard times whereas women endure and would serve as custodians to a spouse under the same circumstances. Their male counterparts would likely leave them in a long term care home. I'm sure that isn't the case. We're talking about Somali men here. Perhaps the pious ones would tough it out. Phinks when I mentioned the aging process I wasn't talking about old age. I love extreme cases, who doesn't? And they aren't extreme but possible eventualities. Does that make you feel uncomfortable? Btw I was referring to a steady decline in female fertility over the years. I did not allude to infertility per se.
So men are shallow but women aren't?! How can you make that blatant generalisation of the whole male population but completely ignore how shallow women are? You don't even know what it is to be like a man. Listen princess, our lives are way harder than yours. If a man does not have value he'll simply get kicked to the curb while society shits on him. And are you seriously not considering the possibilities that women also leave men in times of hardship? There are plenty of women who leave their husband if he gets laid off work, sustains an injury or gets in trouble with the law. In your hypothetical situation, the change is due to circumstances beyond her control, it's not that she just got lazy or stopped caring about her appearance.


Your assumption is based on stereotypes, not to mention a ridiculous claim that only men are capable of leaving their spouse in times of hardship when females do the exact same thing. And sophisticate, you make the point of women losing their fertility which I do concede is a valid point. But do you honestly believe men have it easier? Our sex drive declines after 30, our hair start to recede and grey in colour, our testosterone starts to decline rapidly and don't even get me started on the loss of muscle mass we all have to face inevitably. What I'm saying is women aren't alone in this. All life must come to an end true?

This is exactly why marriage scares the shit out of me. Is she looking to get married because of my wealth? Looks? Would she stick with me in times of peril? Or just divorce my ass and take half my assets when the going gets tough?

We can only hope for the best. :Shrug:

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Re: East African Girls

Postby mrdegdeg » Mon Feb 23, 2015 6:05 am

I'm merely arguing for the sake of it. It's already a flawed premise, which is - face it, men are shallow, they will likely leave in hard times whereas women endure and would serve as custodians to a spouse under the same circumstances. Their male counterparts would likely leave them in a long term care home. I'm sure that isn't the case. We're talking about Somali men here. Perhaps the pious ones would tough it out. Phinks when I mentioned the aging process I wasn't talking about old age. I love extreme cases, who doesn't? And they aren't extreme but possible eventualities. Does that make you feel uncomfortable? Btw I was referring to a steady decline in female fertility over the years. I did not allude to infertility per se. I'm not angry. :lol:
Of both sexes .. the female is definitely the most shallow. If guys were shallow we would be putting on make up, constantly wearing shorter clothes, being manipulative just for attention. Lets face it there are big differences between a guy and a girl. There are expectation for both guys and for girls, people who cry sexism and equality are just deluded to this.

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Re: East African Girls

Postby Sophisticate » Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:49 am

I'm merely arguing for the sake of it. [It's already a flawed premise, which is - face it], men are shallow, they will likely leave in hard times whereas women endure and would serve as custodians to a spouse under the same circumstances. Their male counterparts would likely leave them in a long term care home. I'm sure that isn't the case. We're talking about Somali men here. Perhaps the pious ones would tough it out. Phinks when I mentioned the aging process I wasn't talking about old age. I love extreme cases, who doesn't? And they aren't extreme but possible eventualities. Does that make you feel uncomfortable? Btw I was referring to a steady decline in female fertility over the years. I did not allude to infertility per se.
So men are shallow but women aren't?! How can you make that blatant generalisation of the whole male population but completely ignore how shallow women are? You don't even know what it is to be like a man. Listen princess, our lives are way harder than yours. If a man does not have value he'll simply get kicked to the curb while society shits on him. And are you seriously not considering the possibilities that women also leave men in times of hardship? There are plenty of women who leave their husband if he gets laid off work, sustains an injury or gets in trouble with the law. In your hypothetical situation, the change is due to circumstances beyond her control, it's not that she just got lazy or stopped caring about her appearance.


Your assumption is based on stereotypes, not to mention a ridiculous claim that only men are capable of leaving their spouse in times of hardship when females do the exact same thing. And sophisticate, you make the point of women losing their fertility which I do concede is a valid point. But do you honestly believe men have it easier? Our sex drive declines after 30, our hair start to recede and grey in colour, our testosterone starts to decline rapidly and don't even get me started on the loss of muscle mass we all have to face inevitably. What I'm saying is women aren't alone in this. All life must come to an end true?

This is exactly why marriage scares the shit out of me. Is she looking to get married because of my wealth? Looks? Would she stick with me in times of peril? Or just divorce my ass and take half my assets when the going gets tough?

We can only hope for the best. :Shrug:
Bless your heart Phinks. Did you selectively read that?I said I was making a flawed argument.

I won't invalidate the experiences of men that are left in hard times (financially or in jail). If she leaves you when you're broke then count yourself lucky, Alhamdulilah for your health. Here comes the truth, women are more likely to be victims of spouse abandonment than men, particularly when facing a serious illness. Here comes the blanket statement, women (not all) but many are forgiving of men in terms of looks, decline in libido, loss of muscle mass, thinning hair and many of the accompaniments of aging. Are they collectively saints? -no. To be honest, Phinks there is no need to be insecure about money. What you are saying is a major preoccupation of men. Don't let your self-esteem rest in your earning capacity/net worth. I know a couple of men around my age (28 -33) that are Somali and they are doing well for themselves Masha'Allah and they are single. However they are insecure about their financial or academic success. They blame Xaliimos for ignoring them when they didn't have it together and coming out of the wood work now that life is good. I don't know why but I can't stand that outlook and could not put up with someone like that.

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Re: East African Girls

Postby mrdegdeg » Mon Feb 23, 2015 11:24 am

Bless your heart Phinks. Did you selectively read that?I said I was making a flawed argument.

I won't invalidate the experiences of men that are left in hard times (financially or in jail). If she leaves you when you're broke then count yourself lucky, Alhamdulilah for your health. Here comes the truth, women are more likely to be victims of spouse abandonment than men, particularly when facing a serious illness. Here comes the blanket statement, women (not all) but many are forgiving of men in terms of looks, decline in libido, loss of muscle mass, thinning hair and many of the accompaniments of aging. Are they collectively saints? -no. To be honest, Phinks there is no need to be insecure about money. What you are saying is a major preoccupation of men. Don't let your self-esteem rest in your earning capacity/net worth. I know a couple of men around my age (28 -33) that are Somali and they are doing well for themselves Masha'Allah and they are single. However they are insecure about their financial or academic success. They blame Xaliimos for ignoring them when they didn't have it together and coming out of the wood work now that life is good. I don't know why but I can't stand that outlook and could not put up with someone like that.
Lol .. are u saying u are 28 or 33? I thought most people on here were younger, like early 20's or round there.

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Re: East African Girls

Postby Sophisticate » Mon Feb 23, 2015 12:10 pm

Bless your heart Phinks. Did you selectively read that?I said I was making a flawed argument.

I won't invalidate the experiences of men that are left in hard times (financially or in jail). If she leaves you when you're broke then count yourself lucky, Alhamdulilah for your health. Here comes the truth, women are more likely to be victims of spouse abandonment than men, particularly when facing a serious illness. Here comes the blanket statement, women (not all) but many are forgiving of men in terms of looks, decline in libido, loss of muscle mass, thinning hair and many of the accompaniments of aging. Are they collectively saints? -no. To be honest, Phinks there is no need to be insecure about money. What you are saying is a major preoccupation of men. Don't let your self-esteem rest in your earning capacity/net worth. I know a couple of men around my age (28 -33) that are Somali and they are doing well for themselves Masha'Allah and they are single. However they are insecure about their financial or academic success. They blame Xaliimos for ignoring them when they didn't have it together and coming out of the wood work now that life is good. I don't know why but I can't stand that outlook and could not put up with someone like that.
Lol .. are u saying u are 28 or 33? I thought most people on here were younger, like early 20's or round there.
I'm 28 turning 29 in May. I gave you what I think is an acceptable age range. Late 20s early 30s. I'm talking about my peers, not the self-declared 23 year olds that flood this forum.

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Re: East African Girls

Postby Phinks » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:35 pm

Bless your heart Phinks. Did you selectively read that?I said I was making a flawed argument.
Apologies. I quickly skimmed it and let my emotions get a hold of me. :lol:
I won't invalidate the experiences of men that are left in hard times (financially or in jail). If she leaves you when you're broke then count yourself lucky, Alhamdulilah for your health. Here comes the truth, women are more likely to be victims of spouse abandonment than men, particularly when facing a serious illness.
Do you have statistical evidence to back up this claim? Okay, let's just say for the sake of argument that men are more likely to abandon their spouse; can we at least agree on the fact that it solely depends on the individual?
Here comes the blanket statement, women (not all) but many are forgiving of men in terms of looks, decline in libido, loss of muscle mass, thinning hair and many of the accompaniments of aging. Are they collectively saints? -no.
Many women are forgiving in terms of looks? I'm sorry, but this is where I draw the line. I would safely say a good 10% of women wouldn't really care about looks. Just use this site as an example! Most of the females here want the features I listed above. And surprisingly, these are Somali muslim women. To be honest Sophisticate, I can't help but feel you're just putting up a good girl facade. There are two kinds of women in my opinion: the ones that get hot and bothered for the exciting bad boys who passionately sweep them off their feet, and the ones that don't admit it to themselves so they can keep up the "good girl" image. Call it a hunch if you will but you come off as the latter.
To be honest, Phinks there is no need to be insecure about money. What you are saying is a major preoccupation of men. Don't let your self-esteem rest in your earning capacity/net worth. I know a couple of men around my age (28 -33) that are Somali and they are doing well for themselves Masha'Allah and they are single. However they are insecure about their financial or academic success. They blame Xaliimos for ignoring them when they didn't have it together and coming out of the wood work now that life is good. I don't know why but I can't stand that outlook and could not put up with someone like that.
Can I ask why this pisses you off? It is perfectly natural and understandable for these men to get angry at the women who were ignoring them when they were basically nothing in their early teens/early twenties. And do you know how annoying it is for xalimos to express their interest in you only after you made something of yourself? After you increased your net worth? How annoying it is when Xalimos talk to my sisters just because they fancy me? Like where the fuck were you before?! :wtf:

It's amazing how you get pissed off but truthfully speaking, while Somali women were chasing "Abdi G Farah" and "Jamaal Carter" Ali and Abdinasir were wanking with their tear induced lubricant. But now that Ali and Abdinasir have jumped through hoops and studied their ass off in a STEM field or start a successful business and make something of themselves then finally after the Somali women start getting tired of the bad boys NOW they want them? What a f-king joke! :lol:

And you say money doesn't matter? You're gonna love this then! :pac:

I use something called the "ATM Receipt Test". I'll pick up a xalimo, and tell her I need to get some cash for the night. Not to humble-brag, I have a good amount of money in my checking account for a uni student. Five figures. What I'll do is go to the ATM, withdraw $50 or $100 or so, and I'll crumble up the receipt and throw it on the center console of my car on purpose. Then I'll stop at a gas station to "get gas". Then I'll go into the gas station to "buy a soda" because I'm "thirsty".

While I'm in the gas station, nearly every xalimo has looked at the receipt. I would say a good 2/3rds. I can tell because the receipt is crumpled in a different way than I left it. They uncrumpled it to look at my account balance. Then they get all confused and sad on why I don't return their phone calls. :lol:

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Re: East African Girls

Postby Idman702 » Tue Mar 03, 2015 8:41 pm

Thank god I was born as an East African. :blessed:

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Re: East African Girls

Postby Sophisticate » Wed Mar 04, 2015 3:24 pm

In terms of spousal abandonment that is obviously case-by-case. However the gender disparity is certainly present.
The newest study, presented Thursday at the annual meeting of the Population Association of America in Boston, found an increased risk of divorce in older couples when the wife – but not the husband – became seriously ill.

Source: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/life/hea ... le18405988
(Sorry I couldn't quite find the study).

Phinks, no offense walaal but your snet writing style comes across as abrasive. Take it easy son and don't come to any rash conclusions. You don't know me and I certainly don't know you. Just because I value myself and have not participated in premarital relations, that doesn't make me nice or a good girl. Dare I say I'm just as capable of being self-interested and as manipulative as the next person (its a matter of keeping these forces in check). Those terms are situational and they depend on who you ask. I'm diplomatic most of the time. However, you must distinguish between an individual's private and public persona. All I know is if I'm not getting better as a person, or making amends for my past grievances then there is something truly wrong.

Of course a guy that is tall, makes money and is good looking is a catch. The fellow I used to talk to matched that. However, we didn't have the same values. I wasn't willing to negotiate. So, that in and of itself is not enough. And there are a lot of men out there that are "good enough". They might be missing a characteristic or two that you outline, but they make up for it in other ways. Because I know life isn't as clear cut as that, does not make me disingenuous. Just because someone is desirable doesn't make them "a good fit," nor does it make them "compatible."

:pac: If you did a cost-benefit analysis on a play boy you'd come out robbed. - There is no ROI (return on investment). Whatever short-term gratification would be outweighed by major losses and time wasted. I've known that since childhood thanks to my books and because aabo taught me game theory (and not how to be played when you are set-up for zero-sum losses, as a female) before I started high school. He was well before his time. Those that are trying to fill a void normally go for cads. :down:

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Re: East African Girls

Postby Estarix » Wed Mar 04, 2015 5:47 pm

I can see Phinks is swimming with red pill knowledge, lol do you frequent returnofkings.com.
Id like to add that while women have inherent value (vagina, childbirth) men on the other hand have none whatsoever, in essence depending on who's in charge an slight excess of them they can be served as cannon fodder in conflict or are expended in any other way. The only value a man has lies with how much money earns. Women are instinctively wired to value men in this way (feed and shelter her children), men that fail to meet this level are useless in her sights. The only exception to this rule is when they are chasing excitement (bad boys).

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Re: East African Girls

Postby SolidCamel » Wed Mar 04, 2015 7:02 pm

Ladies how many of you cool with a bidaar?

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