Xumaanta Qofka Dhintey - If we don't talk about it how will we learn from it?

[BlackVelvet]

You're expecting the narrative to be unbiased and nothing but the raw truth. You're demanding too much ina Adeer
I do agree with you lakin there will always a nebulous distinction between the truth and biased narration on the positions people take on the death. There will be those who would go to extreme lengths and come up with justifications for the most evil beings and their legacy.

If those people are the minority then wax ma dhibeen lakin when an entire community encourages this, it becomes disturbing.

At the very least, do not say their negative actions weren't committed. Actions are always open to interpretation when trying to understand why someone did something, whether alive or dead motives are not clear-cut, that's part of history.

[Libix]

BV there has to be balance. No point in airing the ills of the individual and leaving out the good. What about wanaaga qofka dhintay?

You are absolutely right, it has to be the truth and in that truth is good and bad. My point was lying about the person is not okay, writing and fabricating their legacy is not okay.

I'm not talking about regular people, for those people it is up to their family to remember them and it is comforting to remember the good. However when that person puts themselves in a position of power then it's not just their families that will remember them, history will too.

Yeah but what u and I see or consider as lies could be the absolute opposite for others, marka it becomes a case of seeing it for one’s self and applying it as they see fit regardless of hadey runtahay ama been.

[eliteSomali]

Talking about a dead person itself is not bad. Insulting and talking trash about a dead person is what is bad. I don't think there is anything wrong in talking about the history of a dead person as long as the intention is to make things right.

[BlackVelvet]

BV there has to be balance. No point in airing the ills of the individual and leaving out the good. What about wanaaga qofka dhintay?

You are absolutely right, it has to be the truth and in that truth is good and bad. My point was lying about the person is not okay, writing and fabricating their legacy is not okay.

I'm not talking about regular people, for those people it is up to their family to remember them and it is comforting to remember the good. However when that person puts themselves in a position of power then it's not just their families that will remember them, history will too.

Yeah but what u and I see or consider as lies could be the absolute opposite for others, marka it becomes a case of seeing it for one’s self and applying it as they see fit regardless of hadey runtahay ama been.

If this was all about individual opinions then it wouldn't matter so much. However this seeps into collective psyche. It begs the question of what will be taught in schools (all that actually happened or just the good things that happened?). It begs the question of what you teach your kids when you speak about these people (again what actually happened or manipulate the story to direct their outlook?)

When it comes to national stories, it's not about those people being looked at as individuals that we all want to go to heaven. We have no control over that, what needs to happen is to have a collective values system; e.g. valuing life and abhorring the action of harming people and Somali people in particular.

Therefore if someone did that, teach it. Teach also the good they may have done or what they may have achieved but do not erase the negative aspects of their legacy because that is very disrespectful of the victims and detrimental to our progress as a people.

Been meel dheer makugeyneyso

[Estarix]

The mods unsurprisingly are utterly useless.

[BlackVelvet]

Talking about a dead person itself is not bad. Insulting and talking trash about a dead person is what is bad. I don't think there is anything wrong in talking about the history of a dead person as long as the intention is to make things right.

I agree, insults and name calling are not called for. I have seen though that this generally happens when two views are so far apart. When both people having that discussion are pushed to extremes because neither of them will be objective. It happens all the time on SNet.

[ZubeirAwal]

I hope the world laments me rather than curse me when I die, surely the latter is a case of eternal humiliation.

[eliteSomali]

Talking about a dead person itself is not bad. Insulting and talking trash about a dead person is what is bad. I don't think there is anything wrong in talking about the history of a dead person as long as the intention is to make things right.

I agree, insults and name calling are not called for. I have seen though that this generally happens when two views are so far apart. When both people having that discussion are pushed to extremes because neither of them will be objective. It happens all the time on SNet.

That's because Somalis aren't well versed in the art of debating, even when they are university graduates.

[Libix]

BV dadkaa taariiqda kasugeyso waa soomaali, and in order for history to be in its absolute events, there has to first be an unbiased presentation of how all things occurred. But unfortunately the good, the bad, the ugly and the qurux of the events isn’t what soomaalida broadcast but rather a chosen version to fit with their views of what happened.