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Funny how you ignored Wahabi/Salafi in that list. Besides Sufi is not a sect only you claim it to be.

Wahabiyya is 3rd rate propaganda from media outlets and its lazy on Your part to be repeating Non Muslim slogans from the news. I can find You hundreds people who say "I'm Suffi". Can't find You anyone who says "Hello, I am Wahabbi". The name Salafi is not what its about, it is Your actions and that is where We emulate the pious predecessors.


As for Salafi, Well Ibn Tayyima said "Al Madhabu Salaf Ma kaana Ilaa Haqqa" The way of the Salaf is nothing but Haqq. Muhammad Ibn Abdul Wahab AUN lived 2 centuries ago and was simply a scholar who called to Tawheed and was able to revive and guide many Muslims in the Arabian peninsula with Allah's help.

Perfect Order get a job on Fox, they'll love having You as their Muslim analyst using terms like Wahabbi, lol

Given the arguments between the above two gentlemen, it already illuminated why the author struggled with Islam. If you follow Sheikh Taymiyah or Mohamed Abdulwahab's both raximullah doesn't mean that they brought a new wahyi to Islam from Allah SWT and others are misguided because that is the judgement of ONLY Allah SWT, therefore it is important to respect others who follow the interpretations of other scholars.

Given the arguments between the above two gentlemen, it already illuminated why the author struggled with Islam. If you follow Sheikh Taymiyah or Mohamed Abdulwahab's both raximullah doesn't mean that they brought a new wahyi to Islam from Allah SWT and others are misguided because that is the judgement of ONLY Allah SWT, therefore it is important to respect others who follow the interpretations of other scholars.

First its not a debate, nor does Islam have something called "Debate" When it comes to the Religion. We sincerely advice each other, and both chose their own paths at the end of the day no forcing. What We don't do is argue, debate, quarrel with one another in the Religion. You state the proofs for something and leave it at that.


2ndly, Your statement about people who follow their desires being "Turned off by Islam because of people arguing" no offense is just a silly argument, and if anything it is simply a cop out or excuse. This Sister, simply fell pray to the following of desires, laziness and not being strong and firm in her Deen. I sin day and night, and I do not blame anyone except My own self. Also as for Your point, about Me quoting Mohamed Ibn Abdul Wahab, Ibn Tayyima I do not condone Myself or anyone following anybody blindly or without proof. The reason I bought up Ibn Tayyima who lived several centuries ago was to prove that the term "Salaf" is not some 20th century term people came up with but Has origins dating several centuries back.

What I find most troubling about this article is the omission of the millions of "practicing sunni women" (for the lack of a better term) who are university educated, doctors, lawyers, lawmakers, teachers, entrepreneurs, business executives, etc.... Why is THEIR view of sunni Islam omitted by the author? Why does she conveniently not mention the countless number of females surgeons who 1) wear hijab 2) pray 3) don't smoke weed 4) don't drink and most importantly 5) WHO DON'T VIEW SUNNI ISLAM AS SOME RELIGION THAT IS AN EXTREME FORM OF MALE CHAUVINISM?

Personally, I have no issue with a half naked woman who sins openly and yet calls herself Muslim. Allah is her judge not me. I have qualms about the insinuation that if a woman practices her deen to the fullest, then she's automatically brainwashed by some "male-dominated sect" of the religion. That is extremely insulting to our educated sisters who practice their faith fully, it assumes a woman in hijab doesn't have the ability to think for herself. It tells me the author has either fallen for the Western anti-Islamic rhetoric, or that she has a problem accepting the fact that a woman can fully practice Islam and be educated and free.

So no, this article has nothing of value (maybe except for the part where she says not to judge fellow Muslims, but every level-headed Muslim knows that already). Cherine walaal I hope you can see that.

I don't think short shorts, whiskey and weed find their way in practicing any of the major religions. Non-religious westerners that find such lifestyle appealing know it's outside the fold of their respective religion, which they were brought up in. They simply leave it be and are not wholly assigned to it's reform citing "separation of church and state". I find it odd that they don't have as much grievance as Muslims, this girl case in point...to "reconcile" how they choose to live with the conservative values central to all major faiths.

It's not judging to point the obvious that you cannot practice Islam with short shorts and recite Quran with whiskey breath, specially when standing in prayer, which this girl also mentioned as part of her practice. Again this is not "judging" I hope we don't fall into similar trappings of crying foul judgement whenever these types of "reformist" express their view and we respond..the same way a knee-jerk "anti-Semitism" cry is mounted against any critical view with Israel.

I also want to stress that we are all sinning constantly and all want to find our way to Allah's Mercy. I think it is important we don't lose sight of the fact that the path to Allah is a path that is first and foremost designed and directed by Allah, and not for us pick and choose what is favourable to our desires, practice in piecemeal and worse, justify it. We are not better than Muhammad PBUH, he's way to Allah was from Allah for Allah. I can only aspire to follow such path.

I don't think short shorts, whiskey and weed find their way in practicing any of the major religions. Non-religious westerners that find such lifestyle appealing know it's outside the fold of their respective religion, which they were brought up in. They simply leave it be and are not wholly assigned to it's reform citing "separation of church and state". I find it odd that they don't have as much grievance as Muslims, this girl case in point...to "reconcile" how they choose to live with the conservative values central to all major faiths.

It's not judging to point the obvious that you cannot practice Islam with short shorts and recite Quran with whiskey breath, specially when standing in prayer, which this girl also mentioned as part of her practice. Again this is not "judging" I hope we don't fall into similar trappings of crying foul judgement whenever these types of "reformist" express their view and we respond..the same way a knee-jerk "anti-Semitism" cry is mounted against any critical view with Israel.

I also want to stress that we are all sinning constantly and all want to find our way to Allah's Mercy. I think it is important we don't lose sight of the fact that the path to Allah is a path that is first and foremost designed and directed by Allah, and not for us pick and choose what is favourable to our desires, practice in piecemeal and worse, justify it. We are not better than Muhammad PBUH, he's way to Allah was from Allah for Allah. I can only aspire to follow such path.

^^ I agree with you 100% walaal. What I mean by "judging" is - sometimes I hear people of religion (Muslims/Christians/Jews) say to a fellow "weak" member of their religion, "you're going to hell." I think that's extreme, and that's what I call judging. But you're right, if my brother tells me "hey man soo weeyso qaado intaan salaada galin" this isn't judging, he's telling me I'm doing something wrong in the hope of correcting me. Too many people say "don't judge me" and that's such an incorrect way to use that term.

Kareem, Zulaika, Grand opening grand closing

Those are My sentiments exactly. We all struggle everyday with our Iman, sin everyday but Allah is very merciful. This shouldn't push us to make what is Haraam, Halaal. Sometimes if You wanna take the bus You gotta buy Your ticket. If We want to get to Jennah, We have to buy the ticket which is staying away from Haraama as much as possible.

Yo do you know what Salafism means to most youth in Britain, Murax?

It means that the Cheese burger meal from McDonald's is Halal because they read the Uthaymeen fatwa that the meat in the West is Halal cuz its Ahlul bayt. Obviously Uthaymeen rh isnt to blame that the Islamqa guys took his fatwa without context.

Its the same thing with the Somalis in Stockholm, wallahi you'll find mothers in Burger King.

Its not just that, Salafism has brought this Jihadism Istishaad plague upon, who think that killing Muslims is jihad.

Salafism is a filth that needs to be taken out, same with Sufism and their love of whites.

A nuanced response. "Practising Islam in long long prayer garnents". Feel obliged to share it since I dropped the original link. Enjoy.

http://muslimmatters.org/2015/03/13/pra ... -garments/

Thoughts?

The author of the piece seems to have some kind of inner struggle that she needs to resolve. People will always judge and gossip regardless.

.. hadith (prophetic traditions and sayings), fiqh (Islamic jurisprudence) and tafseer (interpretation) because these three things, all of which play a huge part in how Islam is practiced today, are filtered through the perspective of Muslims born into normalized extreme patriarchy....

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What the author states in the above quote is true. However, women are taking action to educate themselves. Indonesia is a good example.

http://www.oxfordislamicstudies.com/Pub ... women.html

This bit did resonate with me too. However, couldn't you argue that extreme patriarchy has always been present since the begining of time- where do we draw the line?

Does that not then imply that we disregard the works of the pious predecessors and giants in Islamic scholarship as being unable to remove patriarchal lenses?

Thanks for the book. I'll try to locate it. Seems interesting.

Also as for Your point, about Me quoting Mohamed Ibn Abdul Wahab, Ibn Tayyima I do not condone Myself or anyone following anybody blindly or without proof. The reason I bought up Ibn Tayyima who lived several centuries ago was to prove that the term "Salaf" is not some 20th century term people came up with but Has origins dating several centuries back.

Are you suggesting the modern followers of Sheikh Mohamed Abdulwahab date back to the original Salafs? How so? Remember that modern "Salafis" were United prior to the first Gulf Wars and have now split into two, Salafi Jihadis and Salafi Jadiids who followed their scholars in Saudi Arabia who are allied to the Royal Saudi Family. How are they connected to the original Salafis?

Cherine,

Do you think she's Muslim?



The first Muslim Miss USA... pole dancing.

What I find most troubling about this article is the omission of the millions of "practicing sunni women" (for the lack of a better term) who are university educated, doctors, lawyers, lawmakers, teachers, entrepreneurs, business executives, etc.... Why is THEIR view of sunni Islam omitted by the author? Why does she conveniently not mention the countless number of females surgeons who 1) wear hijab 2) pray 3) don't smoke weed 4) don't drink and most importantly 5) WHO DON'T VIEW SUNNI ISLAM AS SOME RELIGION THAT IS AN EXTREME FORM OF MALE CHAUVINISM?

Personally, I have no issue with a half naked woman who sins openly and yet calls herself Muslim. Allah is her judge not me. I have qualms about the insinuation that if a woman practices her deen to the fullest, then she's automatically brainwashed by some "male-dominated sect" of the religion. That is extremely insulting to our educated sisters who practice their faith fully, it assumes a woman in hijab doesn't have the ability to think for herself. It tells me the author has either fallen for the Western anti-Islamic rhetoric, or that she has a problem accepting the fact that a woman can fully practice Islam and be educated and free.

So no, this article has nothing of value (maybe except for the part where she says not to judge fellow Muslims, but every level-headed Muslim knows that already). Cherine walaal I hope you can see that.