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This is not good! Mods please delete this before it's too late for the MJ crew.

How can anyone call a whole people, that features doctors, shaykhs, fathers, mothers, teachers and everything in between, on the whole gaals and non-Muslims? Authobillah.

Off-topic, but what's so wrong with being a gaal/non-muslim?

Some of the greatest and most compassionate human beings in history were non-muslim. And some of the worst pieces of feces, like Yazid bin Abi Sufyaan, Hajaaj bin Yusuf, Siad Barre, Caydiid, Cabdullahi Yusuf, Sadaam Xusayn, Qadaafi were devout Muslims.

Take this great man, for example, Halyeey Thaddeus Stevens who spent his entire adult lifetime fighting against slavery and racial & religious discrimination, both which are widespread in the Muslim world TODAY. Ask any "mainstream" shaykh about slavery or the racist concept of kafaa'ah, and they will tell you it is a integral part of Islam(they lie, but thats a different topic)

This is the will he left for a school he established for homeless and indigent orphans:

http://www.stevenscollege.edu/about-tsc ... tevens-bio

"They shall be carefully educated in the various branches of English education and all industrial trades and pursuits. No preference shall be shown on account of race or color in their admission or treatment. Neither poor Germans, Irish or Mahometan, nor any others on account their race or religion of their parents, shall be excluded. They shall be fed at the same table."

"They shall be fed at the same table" Hot-Damn is that a powerful quote. Compare that to the systemaic and widespread racism in the supposedly holy lands of bilaad-ul-xaramayn, or, closer to home, yaa ka racist-san soomalida?

This enlightened creation of Ebbe lived over 200 years ago and showed so much Islamic akhlaaq and values that he would put to shame the vast majority of "mashaayikh" living today who believe in fundamentally unIslamic qashin like executing a person who decides to change his religion.

Bottom line: Stop placing value & emphasis on a person's religion. Start placing value & emphasis on a person's conduct, words, and actions.

Because that is what truly matters. Everything else is froth. A non-muslim(Thaddeus Stevens), regardless of his belief-system(or lackthereof), who advocates on behalf of the poor and the oppressed is a million times better and more dignified and noble than a muslim(Mucaawiya bin Abi Sufyaan) who murders in the pursuit of power, regardless if he is a saxaabi or tabaaci or "pious predecessor"


You tell me who is the better human being: Halyeey Thaddeus Stevens(AUN)........................or Ina Sufyaan?

Simple answer is the worst possible sin and the one that will not be forgiven is shirk.

Simple answer is the worst possible sin and the one that will not be forgiven is shirk.

But that's only, like, your opinion, bro.

Based on that "simple answer", that has become pretty much cannon & dogma over the past 8 decades, the following people are also mushrikeen who are burning in hellfire for eternity:

- Omar Mukhtar

- Sayyid Maxamed Cabdullahi Xasan

- Your grandfather(hypothetical who went to biyoole, ziyaaratil quboor

- Your grandmother(hypothetical) who practised magical rites(sixir, etc)

Are you prepared to accept the (nonsensical) notion that they are all mushrikeen because Ina Wabaab or Ina Baaz or Ina hebel said so?

Use your Ebbe-given brain-cells bro. Don't out-source your deen to some dead dude living in the 8th, 10th, or 15th century, and what he said or thought. You have to understand that Ina Wahaab and Ina Taymiya are fallible human beings, and as fallible human beings, they were influenced by the racist and misogynistic cultural values of their environment. As such, we need to free our deen from cultural impurities and "sacred dogma". By the way, I'm not judging them; contrary to what you may think, I have immense respect for them, i'm just not down with the whole "ghulow"(hero-worship glorification) that has been a constant among muslims for centuries.

Idk how you came to the conclusion that my grandparents ever did any of those things that you accuse them of, but I assure you they did not.

Studying the basics of Aqeedah tells you that shirk is the worst possible thing to do. This is unanimous among every single scholar ever. This is the basics of Aqeedah. Stop trying to make your own creed.

And on a more serious note, stop insulting the Sahaaba of Rasulu'Allah SAW on this forum. You're begging to be banned.

Why were my comments deleted?


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Just saw the mods deleted zubeirximaar comments.


Mods

Idk how you came to the conclusion that my grandparents ever did any of those things that you accuse them of, but I assure you they did not.

I made it very clear that it was a hypothetical example, by including erey-ga hypoptherical in parenthesis. Not sure how I could've made it clearer. But if your grandparents didn't do any of that "shirk-y tingz", well, 90% other of Somalis's grandparents did. So do you consider them to be mushrikeen?

But for the sake of discussion, let's assume they did go to biyoole, let's assume they did tawwasul & tashafuc which the ulema who you take your aqeedah from consider to be the highest form of shirk. What then? If Shaykh hebel bin hebel tells you your grandparents are mushrikeen for making a pildgriamfe to biyoole and for slaughtering goats for dead saints so that they can get blessings and children, will you accept his "authority" and his "aqeedah skillz" and consider your grandparents to be burning in hell for eternity, OR, will you, like a normal human being, tell him, him being the "fadeelatu shaykh" that he's fulla shit? Because he(and they) truly is/are.

Answer the question, bro. Stop hiding behind "saxaabah". I never insulted saxaabada ridwaanullahi calayhim, and I have nothing but love and respect for them.

Here's the question again:

But for the sake of discussion, let's assume they did go to biyoole, let's assume they did tawwasul & tashafuc which the ulema who you take your aqeedah from consider to be the highest form of shirk. What then? If Shaykh hebel bin hebel tells you your grandparents are mushrikeen for making a pilgrimage to biyoole and for slaughtering goats for dead saints so that they can get blessings and children, will you accept his "authority" and his "aqeedah skillz" and consider your grandparents to be burning in hell for eternity?

Muawiyah was a sahaabi so was Abu Sufyan and you've insulted them on numerous occasions. No one is hiding behind anything, just stop insulting them.

Sheikh hebel doesn't have to tell me anything, I will tell you myself, that what they did was kufr and a major sin. Now what they did was an act of kufr, that doesn't make them kaafirs. They still have Imaan and still believe in Allah and his Rasul. But they faltered and Allah is most forgiving, so I hope he forgives them.

For someone who is staunchly anti wahabi, you sure do a good job of using their dogma, of forget what anyone has said, and just do it for yourself. But at least they tell you to go back to the Quran and read it for yourself. On the other hand you don't even seem to care for revelation or sunnah. You just want to do it yourself, regardless.

Dad baa jiro waalano

Marmar meesha soo galoo

Jecel daaca qurun

Iney dadka qaad siiyaan

Yaan loo bixin

Dad baa jiro waalano

Marmar meesha soo galoo

Jecel daaca qurun

Iney dadka qaad siiyaan

Yaan loo bixin

Waali buu igu sheegay

hadaba aqristow, ma anaa waalan

mase niman deenta Raxmaan'ka

ku been abuurtay oo ku caasiyay

oo wasakh iyo qurun iyo xumaan oo idil

ku soo jeeday, oo been'abuur kor'ka ka saaray

Ma anaa waalan, mase ninki yiri:

"adoonsiga waa xalaal, oo bani aadam sida lax ama ari baa sooqa aga soo iib'sanaysaa"

Ma anaa waalan, mase ninki yiri:

"cunug hada dhashay oo shan sano jirto, waala guursan'karaa"

Ma anaa waalan, mase ninki aaminsan

cunsuriyada inay Islaam'ka ka tirsan tahay

Ma anaa waalan, mase ninki diiday caqliga Eeba seeyay

inuu furo, oo dunida Ebbe, malakoot a'samaawaati wal ardh, eego oo feeriyo,

Ma anaa waalan, mase cadan iyo cadaado

Cayn-jaalot iyo carbiska,

cusmaaniya iyo caabud-waaq

baa laga heesaayaa?


Aqristow, bal sheeg, aniga iyo rag'ga aan is haysano: yaa walaan oo yaa fiyow?

Muawiyah was a sahaabi so was Abu Sufyan and you've insulted them on numerous occasions. No one is hiding behind anything, just stop insulting them.

Sheikh hebel doesn't have to tell me anything, I will tell you myself, that what they did was kufr and a major sin. Now what they did was an act of kufr, that doesn't make them kaafirs. They still have Imaan and still believe in Allah and his Rasul. But they faltered and Allah is most forgiving, so I hope he forgives them.

For someone who is staunchly anti wahabi, you sure do a good job of using their dogma, of forget what anyone has said, and just do it for yourself. But at least they tell you to go back to the Quran and read it for yourself. On the other hand you don't even seem to care for revelation or sunnah. You just want to do it yourself, regardless.

You're giving me a PC answer, yacni politically correct.

The fact of the matter that you are unable to face and choose to hide away from is this: BILLIONS(literally) of muslims over the past 1400 years have practiced rituals & rites and have held beliefs that the "Sunni Orthodoxy" deems to be heretical and shirk. Since you believe that the noble uncle of the Messenger, Abu Talib(naxareesta Ebbe kor'keesa ha ahaato) is burning in hellfire for eternity, I was expecting you to stay true to your canonical dogma and say that yes, the grandparents will burn in hell for eternity as well.

But you didn't; you gave a me a cop-out half-way answer where you avoided calling the grandparents(hypothetically your grandparents) mushrikeen, but you condemned their actions as kufr. Sorry, bro. That's a unacceptable cop-out. And the scholars you follow won't do your "triangulation" and will just straight up call them mushrikeen, just as you straight up call Abu Talib(AUN) a mushrik.

Here are some more people that your scholars would call Mushrikeen due their practice of suufi rituals and rites:

- Salaaxu'deen Al-ayoobi

- Omar Mukhtar

- the Sudaneese Mahdi

- Sayyid Maxamed

- Hundreds of millions of muslims all around the world, past and present.

Well, I'm telling your right now: They are not mushrikeen. They are muslimeen. They are mu'mineen. They are muflixeen. While I, personally, do not agree with their rituals & rites(ziyaaratil quboor, etc), I will vigorously defend their right to do whatever the eff they want, however and whenever they choose.

Bro, don't lie to yourself. Better that you confront our ugly past and fundamentally unIslamic history, rather than feed yourself warm honey'd lies that'll make you feel better. Tall tales of a mythical golden era, the "glory days", where all men where honorable and virtuous and all women wore black abayas and were chaste virgins. We are human, no different than the rest of the 6 billion human beings on Earth. Likewise, our history is no different. Just like all other Umadu, we have our shining virtuous moments and our ugly dark days. There never was a utopia, or even a "model society", nor will there ever be one.

Because Human. Because Human will Human. There is no difference between a "Pious Predecessors" engaging in the liberation-struggle with jawaari/slaves and Bill Clinton/MLK using their power-platform to chase tail. Both are being driven by that most instinctive of human impulses: the urge to get all up in sumboooooody. There are a ton of sex-scandals in our history, including by saxaabah on the caliber-level of mubashariina bil jannah, way before the 21st century political sex-scandal. And if you didn't know, well now you know.

The sooner you accept that, the less you will suffer from cognitive dissonance & malignant hypocrisy. Accept the fact that you/we are not better(or worse) than anybody, and stop placing undue value on a person's religion or religious belief. Open your arms wide and embrace all people because of our shared humanity, and don't engage in religious qabyaalad like: "areey, yaa tahay"

Leftist,

gtfoh, you get an answer and then you try to tell me I don't really believe that and that I believe in some scholars ( I still don't know these scholars that I listen to who say these things are, cause the ones I do surely don't) who say otherwise. You're not looking for the truth, you're looking to win some brownie points online so you can try to build your ego up a little more.

You just want to mend Islam to fit into what Leftist wants, as if you're going to be the Martin Luther of Islam or something. The irony in all this is, you are on the exact opposite side of the same coin which you are so vehemently opposed to.

I'm trying to say this in the most respectful way possible, bro really go study your diin. Find a real alim, start with the basics and study your diin. And then come back to me and tell me that praying to graves, and dead saints, is all fine and dandy and not an issue at all.

Leftist, when you said that shirk being the worst sin is an opinion...how is it when the Quran in Al nisa says, I paraphrase, " Allah does not forgive shirk and He forgives anything lesser than that..." what does that mean to you? Just curious

Dad baa jiro waalano

Marmar meesha soo galoo

Jecel daaca qurun

Iney dadka qaad siiyaan

Yaan loo bixin

Waali buu igu sheegay

hadaba aqristow, ma anaa waalan

mase niman deenta Raxmaan'ka

ku been abuurtay oo ku caasiyay

oo wasakh iyo qurun iyo xumaan oo idil

ku soo jeeday, oo been'abuur kor'ka ka saaray

Ma anaa waalan, mase ninki yiri:

"adoonsiga waa xalaal, oo bani aadam sida lax ama ari baa sooqa aga soo iib'sanaysaa"

Ma anaa waalan, mase ninki yiri:

"cunug hada dhashay oo shan sano jirto, waala guursan'karaa"

Ma anaa waalan, mase ninki aaminsan

cunsuriyada inay Islaam'ka ka tirsan tahay

Ma anaa waalan, mase ninki diiday caqliga Eeba seeyay

inuu furo, oo dunida Ebbe, malakoot a'samaawaati wal ardh, eego oo feeriyo,

Ma anaa waalan, mase cadan iyo cadaado

Cayn-jaalot iyo carbiska,

cusmaaniya iyo caabud-waaq

baa laga heesaayaa?


Aqristow, bal sheeg, aniga iyo rag'ga aan is haysano: yaa walaan oo yaa fiyow?

Daaca qurun.com

Waxaas dhan jeebkaaga ayad kala timid.

Iga wareeji.

On the link posted by the OP, wasabi, it said,

"The police officers told Ms Farah, 34, to Google her mother's name if she wanted to know why she was in trouble."

That is exactly what I just did and guess what I found out?

waa isla hal qof.. late 1980s waxay hooyada iyo odaygeedii(not amal father) galeen canada. halkaas ayey caruurta amal la dhashay ay ku wada dhasheen , ka dib markii ay ninkeedii is fureen . late 1990s ayey UK u soo guurtay leicester ayey degeen. 2005 iyada iyo caruurteeda dhamaan somaliya ayey u guurteen marka amaal laga reebo. waqtigii maxaakiimta islaamiga 2005. marka waa isla hal qof , waxaan u maleeynaa UK inay canadian badasheen oo uk dhalasho ku badasheen ..

Thanks ditoore, waa sida aan u qaatey sheekada. Faduma, haddeer xaggee baay ku danbeeysaa? Adiga war noo hayaa. They preach caruurta inay is qarxiyaan oo ku aqriyaan jannadii baa sugeeysaa sidii ticket shineemada ah inay u soo iibiyeen? Oo iyagu meey is qarxiyaan, ma jannada beey necebanyihiin? They take advantage off illiterate kids and adults with mental health problems and convince them to suicide bomb, but they love life to the fullest.