Are AMISOM Better Than Somali Forces.....

[gedo_gurl]

If, theoretically, the defense budget was given directly to Somalis and not AMISOM etc, would Somalis have continued to kill each other?
I say it's very likely judging by this forum.

[RoobleAlWaliid]

Yes - Somali clans each want to dominate a region and therefore minorities in each region will be subjected to violence.

[Machiavelli2]

If, theoretically, the defense budget was given directly to Somalis and not AMISOM etc, would Somalis have continued to kill each other?
I say it's very likely judging by this forum.

Who would you give the money to? Where will the recipient of the defence budget hire his forces from? The whole Somali federal system is based on tribal politics and none of these tribal entities (regions) and their supporters (us, Somalis) could ever agree where the funding goes, where they will be hired from and who forms and runs the national army. This issue has been attempted numerous times by successive Somali administrations to be enacted, but failed due to the veto of regional administrations and powerful warlords in the parliament.

Try to hold a get-together with fellow Somalis and engage them with the idea of building of a Somali national army and see who many different variations all based from the basis of their tribal benefits arises.

[gedo_gurl]

Its pathetic and disgusting. We need to stop hiring these odeyaal who are eating us out of house and home. A visionary is needed....not by my standards, but visionary compared to these baasto lagacla'aan fuuqeystayaal.

[TheGrumpyGeeljire]

Somalis can never build a strong army unless their is a strong deterrent to keep them from involving tribal politics into this process. In the 70's, the soviet union built the Somali Army making it into the 2nd most powerful military in Africa. When the Somalis kicked the soviets' out, they weren't subject to any conditions in order to purchase weapons. Fast forward to the 80's and the SNA basically turned into a heavily armed glorified tribal militia with generals and colonels who were chosen not based on merit bur on tribal backgrounds.

This lead to the collapse of the Somali republic and Somaliland withdrawing its union with Somalia, a collapse that Somalia has yet to recover from. AMISON troops are needed because let's face it, Somalis cannot coexist unless a certain tribe reigns supreme (the federal region of Puntland, the countries of Somaliland and Djibouti..Etc) otherwise all hell will break loose and this is the case in the regions of Hiiraan, Galgaduud and Lower Shabeele. These regions have all been liberated from Al-Shabaab but now their is a clan-war taking place in every single one. Skinnies are trying to displace rival clans/minorities.

[zumaale]

The number 1 enemy for Somalis is not AS but fellow Somalis so why fuel this fire by distributing arms to an 'army' that is not representative of all Somalis. The recent clan conflicts are a perfect illustration of this.

Wherever AS have held power they have to a large extent neutralised clan conflicts, the opposite cannot be said of the 'government'. I personally would rather live under an extremist theocracy that establishes peace and order than an authority that is genocidal in nature.

[LobsterUnit]

Well, alshabab have been unable to defeat the amisom.i believe, in their height of power, they could have wiped out the somali khat army within 2 months.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

No. The Somali army is non-existent currently. But with the money being poured into AMISOM directed into the Somali army instead, it would be more than capable of eradicating alshabab. The problem is the elites are not interested in that. And if the money was directed towards the SNA, it would only be used to fight other Somali clans.

[Jaidi]

Would any of the major towns/cities AS controlled be won back without foreign troops? Impossible IMO.

[gedo_gurl]

Which clan(s) is/are running the show in Mudug and Galguduud? They are newly forming on Aprill 11th.

[Kaafiye]

No. The Somali army is non-existent currently. But with the money being poured into AMISOM directed into the Somali army instead, it would be more than capable of eradicating alshabab. The problem is the elites are not interested in that. And if the money was directed towards the SNA, it would only be used to fight other Somali clans.

The downfall of the Somali people are our clan politicians. Never in the history of our people have we encountered such a selfish, self-serving, degenerate group of sociopaths.

[Based]

They're not sociopaths, they're pastoralists thrust into a leadership position by god knows who.

In any other nation, a self-admitted illiterate like Sharif Sakiin would be a janitor.

[FAH1223]

Short term, AMISOM is better.

Long term, a Somali army is better.

There has to be a deterrent way of building an army and keeping clan politics out. I believe that money should be going to the Somali gov't to build an army but significant foreign oversight must be used. Perhaps special forces units from donor countries or something.

[SultanOrder]

I just hope HG and Abgaal don't fight for power in Xamar. Amisom have totally put Abgaal in power in a city hotly contested and HG running most of the economic areas like the port and airport.

[Estarix]

I think certain clans like the Habar Gidir are fed up off fighting. Most of the issues they have is internal, and they seem to be content with Abgaal hegemony in Mogadishu. I think in the next 10-20 years there wont be any major clan wars happening in Somalia (excluding somaliland), but i doubt the clan system in place will disappear.