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Iran will never get rid of USA sanctions after nuclear deal due to Congress

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Iran will never get rid of USA sanctions after nuclear deal due to Congress

Postby FAH1223 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:49 pm

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WASHINGTON -- A tentative deal has been reached by senators on a bill to apply congressional oversight to a nuclear deal with Iran. And early signals from the White House suggest the president will drop his veto threat and sign the measure.

Under the deal, the president would still be required to submit any final agreement before Congress and Congress would continue to have a say over whether he can lift sanctions on Iran in exchange for restrictions on Iran's nuclear program. But the new deal, hammered out between Republicans and Democrats on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, would reduce the time frame the Senate has to consider the lifting of sanctions -- from 60 days to 52 at most -- and would keep demands on Iran limited primarily to its nuclear program and not, for example, against its sponsorship of terrorism.

"The president would be willing to sign the proposed compromise that is working its way through the committee today," White House press secretary Josh Earnest said Tuesday.

An aide to Sen. Bob Corker (R-Tenn.), the chairman of the Foreign Relations Committee, sent over the details of the new bill:
•The bill would require the president to submit the final agreement to Congress.

•Congress will have up to 52 days to review the final agreement. During that time, the president is prohibited from waiving the congressional sanctions during the review period.


•The 52-day review period is broken down as follows: There is an initial review period of 30 days to review and vote on sanctions relief. An additional 12 days are automatically added if Congress passes a bill and sends it to the president, and an additional 10 days on top of that if the president vetoes the legislation.


•If the final deal is submitted late, after July 9, the review period reverts to 60 days.


•The president is required to certify to Congress every 90 days that Iran is complying with the terms of the final agreement.

•It also requires the president to make a series of detailed reports to Congress on a range of issues, including Iran’s nuclear program, its ballistic missiles work, and its support for terrorism globally, particularly against Americans and our allies. With this information, Congress will be able to determine the appropriate response in the event of Iran sponsoring an act of terrorism against Americans.

The same general details were confirmed by a Democratic aide familiar with talks to modify Corker's bill.

Early reaction among Democrats on the Hill seemed generally positive.

"I oppose the initial version of the bill, but I am encouraged by some developments that are taking place," said Senate Minority Whip ceeb Durbin (D-Ill.). "I think there is potential for sign-off by the White House on a bill that we can support on a bipartisan basis."

If the new Corker bill goes through, it could dramatically complicate the finalizing of a nuclear deal with Iran. As things stand, a framework for a reduction in Iran's nuclear capacity has been reached but finite details still must be resolved. One particular sticking point is the pace of sanctions relief, with Iran insisting all sanctions be lifted at the onset of the deal, and the United States insisting the framework be built on Iran only getting relief from sanctions once it is verified the country is taking steps to reduce its stockpiles of enriched uranium. A bill from the Senate limiting the pace at which the president can apply sanctions relief could be interpreted as a breach of the framework in Tehran, and could complicate the next few weeks of negotiations.

Corker, however, said he was not convinced that congressional action during the negotiations process would hinder the final outcome.

“We know for a fact that -- this is like, not debatable -- that in Switzerland, as the negotiators were believing that Congress was going to weigh in, the deal got stronger. So, you know, that is a total red herring,” he told reporters on Tuesday.

Democrats likewise seemed unmoved by the administration's pleas (delivered Tuesday directly from Secretary of State John Kerry during a briefing) to give it leeway to turn the framework into something more tangible. Sen. Ben Cardin (D-Md.), who is serving as the interim ranking member on the foreign relations committee, said he was "confident" the new deal struck by Corker would provide "an orderly way to review the agreements when submitted, and a timing notice in the event there are material breaches so Congress can take action."

Later on Tuesday, the committee will begin the process of marking up the new Corker deal, and it remains to be seen if the final language will remain intact. Several senators could offer amendments, though Corker has control over the process and some of those members have already signaled that they don't want to disrupt a tentative deal.

When asked about an agreement to prevent a vote on some of the more controversial amendments, Sen. Chris Coons (D-Del.) answered, “We will find out if that is a durable agreement when we get to the room. We’ve had lots of agreements in my four years in Senate that once we got to the floor, came unglued.”

“If you look through the dozens of amendments that are on our agenda for today, there are several in there that would pull this bill sharply to the right if adopted,” Coons told reporters on Tuesday. “Given the partisan breakdown of the committee, they easily could be adopted. They could be forced through down a partisan, party-line vote. I’d drop off of it in a second.”

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Re: Iran will never get rid of sanctions after nuclear deal due to US Congress

Postby X.Playa » Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:53 pm

Its never win situation for Iran and this black punk called Obama will go down in history as the most useless American president.

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Re: Iran will never get rid of sanctions after nuclear deal due to US Congress

Postby FAH1223 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 2:10 pm

Its never win situation for Iran and this black punk called Obama will go down on history as the most useless American president.
Well, the Senate needs 67 votes to override a veto.

If Iran gets the deal to be ratified, they'll be in the Shanghai Cooperaton Organization after sanctions are lifted

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Re: Iran will never get rid of sanctions after nuclear deal due to US Congress

Postby X.Playa » Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:29 pm

Thats if but quote my words never.

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Re: Iran will never get rid of sanctions after nuclear deal due to US Congress

Postby Estarix » Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:32 pm

They want a report that Iran isnt promoting "terrorism" where they then can decide to withold sanction relief, lol good luck getting somewhere with that one. The repubs are threatening to destroy the deal and embaress the US and it's allies.

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Re: Iran will never get rid of sanctions after nuclear deal due to US Congress

Postby FAH1223 » Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:56 pm

Thats if but quote my words never.
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They want a report that Iran isnt promoting "terrorism" where they then can decide to withold sanction relief, lol good luck getting somewhere with that one. The repubs are threatening to destroy the deal and embaress the US and it's allies.
AIPAC money breh :wow:

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Re: Iran will never get rid of sanctions after nuclear deal due to US Congress

Postby gegiroor » Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:13 pm

Senate Compromises on Iran Deal, Obama Will Sign Bill
Bill Will Give Congress Ability to Veto Diplomatic Deal With Iran
by Jason Ditz, April 14, 2015

Top Senate Foreign Relations Committee members have reported a compromise on the Corker-Menendez bill which will give it bipartisan support, and the White House has backed off a threatened veto.

The details of the compromise aren’t totally clear, but will include reducing the 60-day review period of the Iran deal to 30 days, though the period would be extended under certain circumstances, including if the deal is submitted during the summer recess, as it well may be.

The White House had long threatened a presidential veto on the bill, and the backing down seems to reflect the reality that the bill is going to have enough support to override such a veto. White House officials did express reservations about linking the nuclear deal with terrorism, however.

The broad purpose of the bill is to give Congress the ability to veto an international deal with Iran. Israel has been pushing hard for them to have such a power, since they would almost certainly block anything Israel objects to, which is basically any deal at all.

Apparently resigned to the likelihood of a veto override at any rate, Senate Democrats had been working with the White House to try to weaken the language of the bill in hopes of making it somewhat more palatable. Whatever the final language, it is a serious blow to the negotiations, and will make it harder for the US negotiators to credibly pledge to keep up their end of any deal.

Source: antiwar.com
The two punks in the Iranian government - Rouhani and Zarif - are gonna feel the heat from Iranian conservatives. Afterall, the powerful IRGC and conservative judiciary are getting vindicated if this bill goes through!

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Re: Iran will never get rid of sanctions after nuclear deal due to US Congress

Postby gurey25 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:33 am

Guys you do not understand the Iranian Gameplan.

Ayatollah Khamenei knew back then that sanctions will never be removed by the US, or the west.
After jumping through hoops and attempting to impress the west the iranians will get the UN sanctions on nuclear proliferation lifted.
but the US sanctions on iran for other issues like support for hezbollah, not being a democracy, not bowing down and performing fellatio on the US will remain indefinatley.
This is because sanctions are their only means of foriegn policy, they will never let go until you surrender.

For all sanctions to go iran would have to surrender completely,
the pasadran has to go as well as the velayet of fiqh, leaving the french model presidential system,
Privitization of the oil industry and full access to its markets is also necessary.
Iran can continue to be anti-isreali in words only, the same way saudia and the gulf are anti-isreal.
but they will not be allowed control over their economy .

Now the Chinese and the Russians have been pushing for these talks since the begining,
they want Iran to show the world that it has curtailed its program.
All they need is an agreement and then they can start to pull iran into their alliance .
The refusal of the US to honour agreements and continued US sanctions will be ignored by them, and they will in future have the economic and political support and even military support to remain independent.

Iran is a crucial part of Chinas silk roads strategy.

The spread of the US created Zone of chaos from Syria/Iraq and Afghanistan into Iran threatens to derail all of it, and spread the contagion into central asia, which is crucial to Chinas continued Independence.
IF central asia and Russia falls to the west through chaos, China will have no choice but to shelve all those fancy plans and go to the US and bow down and plead for a good position under its hegemony.

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Re: Iran will never get rid of sanctions after nuclear deal due to US Congress

Postby FAH1223 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 8:46 am

Guys you do not understand the Iranian Gameplan.

Ayatollah Khamenei knew back then that sanctions will never be removed by the US, or the west.
After jumping through hoops and attempting to impress the west the iranians will get the UN sanctions on nuclear proliferation lifted.
but the US sanctions on iran for other issues like support for hezbollah, not being a democracy, not bowing down and performing fellatio on the US will remain indefinatley.
This is because sanctions are their only means of foriegn policy, they will never let go until you surrender.

For all sanctions to go iran would have to surrender completely,
the pasadran has to go as well as the velayet of fiqh, leaving the french model presidential system,
Privitization of the oil industry and full access to its markets is also necessary.
Iran can continue to be anti-isreali in words only, the same way saudia and the gulf are anti-isreal.
but they will not be allowed control over their economy .

Now the Chinese and the Russians have been pushing for these talks since the begining,
they want Iran to show the world that it has curtailed its program.
All they need is an agreement and then they can start to pull iran into their alliance .
The refusal of the US to honour agreements and continued US sanctions will be ignored by them, and they will in future have the economic and political support and even military support to remain independent.

Iran is a crucial part of Chinas silk roads strategy.

The spread of the US created Zone of chaos from Syria/Iraq and Afghanistan into Iran threatens to derail all of it, and spread the contagion into central asia, which is crucial to Chinas continued Independence.
IF central asia and Russia falls to the west through chaos, China will have no choice but to shelve all those fancy plans and go to the US and bow down and plead for a good position under its hegemony.
Gurey,

With the prospect of Hilary Clinton or a Republican in office come January 2017, the zone of chaos will undoubtedly spread.

Whoever wins in 2016 is going to be hawkish and try to line the pockets of various military contractors with another failed war.

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Re: Iran will never get rid of sanctions after nuclear deal due to US Congress

Postby original dervish » Wed Apr 15, 2015 9:57 am

The sanctions applied by the EU will be lifted.....the Europeans are desperate to do business with Iran.
The US will keep their unilateral sanctions.....to the detriment of their own economy.
Chaos will not spread to Iran...their state institutions are far too strong to be overturned by a few thousand radicalized rag heads.
War is the only way to derail Iran......the neocons will do everything in their power to get this war on.

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Re: Iran will never get rid of sanctions after nuclear deal due to US Congress

Postby FAH1223 » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:12 am

The sanctions applied by the EU will be lifted.....the Europeans are desperate to do business with Iran.
The US will keep their unilateral sanctions.....to the detriment of their own economy.
Chaos will not spread to Iran...their state institutions are far too strong to be overturned by a few thousand radicalized rag heads.
War is the only way to derail Iran......the neocons will do everything in their power to get this war on.
There's a Republican Congress right now.

And whether its Hilary or a Republican, the White House will have someone who is pro war in 2017.

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Re: Iran will never get rid of sanctions after nuclear deal due to US Congress

Postby LiquidHYDROGEN » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:22 am

Iran has huge amounts resources, a stable and resilient economy and a dedicated anti-stooge regime. Outside of a military "intervention", I don't see how Retardican/Democrap shenanigans will make a lick of difference to Irans long-term future and it's accession to joing the big boys in the east.

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Re: Iran will never get rid of sanctions after nuclear deal due to US Congress

Postby original dervish » Wed Apr 15, 2015 10:24 am

The politicians want war.....however, the Chiefs of Staff are against war because they know they cannot defeat Iran in a conventional war.
Only by using nuclear weapons can America defeat Iran.
That's why it was recently said by an influential Senator of Rand Paul's run for the presidency, " We want to know if he's willing to nuke a Muslim country".

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Re: Iran will never get rid of sanctions after nuclear deal due to US Congress

Postby grandpakhalif » Wed Apr 15, 2015 12:19 pm

Good job ! We dont want iran to get nukes or their sanctions removed, they are a threat to the region especially the Kingdom if Saudi Arabia, they are evil monsters who fund Hashd al shacab khorasani group, badr forces, sistani, assad hezbollah and now the despicable houthis Clown obama is the worst president ever


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