The spirit of Ramadan and Eid before the arrival of wahabis

[gurey25]

Globe

Do not take the hadiths lightly, you are not a scholar and in no position to
decide if they are false or not.

The hadiths are one of the foundations of Islam with them we are blind.

Ignoring the word and guidance of your Prophet will lead you to the edge of the cliff of kufr.

[Globetrotter-]

Gurey,
Some hadiths are very weak and some are very contextual in character. Shias don't use all of them, neither do sunnis.

They are subjects of contention. It is about intepretations.

You don't have to be scholar to see that.

[gurey25]

No but you have to be well versed in arabic and hadiths to put them in context, otherwise you can come to any conclusions from them.

There are many more hadiths than in the Sahiih Bukhari and Muslim,
thses are the most easily authenticated.

[*Proud_Muslimah*]

[quote="Globetrotter-"]Xyaad, The hadiths have been tempered with. Wahabists have misintepreted them and use it to justfiy their sick agenda.

I do blv in the true islam
The kind of islam that is about humanity
The sort of islam that does not condemn,
that does not condone terrorism


Not the wahabist islam based on hatred.

Is that enough?[/quote]

So...ummm, globe care to educate us "ignorant" ones and please tell us what Islam (if you are indeed talking about the Islam our beloved Prophet (saw) and the righteous precedures followed) says about this..."Ramadan nights had the feeling of modern day music concerts. Crowds of people gathered in tea-shops, sitting side by side in rows on straw mats, all chewing the narcotic khat, sipping light, sweet black tea and burning incenses once in a while in a little stove, Girgire, strategically placed in various places to warm the place and help the effect of khat to kick in. The Rock and Roll stars of Ramadan nights were the clerics who mesmerized the audience with their chanting of religious lyrics in Arabic - a language that was revered by Somalis as the most sacred language on earth as God, the Almighty, has chosen to speak in it and above all they believed that Arabic was the language that all people would speak when they go to the hereafter. So when the cleric uttered the first line, a wave of nostalgia gripped the crowd and with the drum and clapping all would reach the highest realms of spiritual delight"

I thought Ramadan was a time of worship not a time of entertainment...no?

And this..."“In Ramadan, my son, Dilla area used to get the largest number of weddings. People believed that marriages that were held in Ramadan were blessed forever. But as children this was also another good thing that made the whole month for us a long season of festivals”

Please don't be an ignorant fool who just talks from his OWN opinions but rather provide authentic hadiths and Qur'anic verses!!!!

[Globetrotter-]

Proud,

It is a wahabi myth that chewing qad and dancing are haram. This is a testimony of how people like you want to change the basics of islam. Qaad chewing is part and parcel of somali culture and islam (at least the islam practiced by the majority of somalis) don't give a fucc about chewing it.

Mr. Goth has captured the scene after breaking the fast- and he does that well.


Let me ask you a few questions:

1) What do you think of wahabism?
2) Do you think qaat is haram?
3) What about terrorism?
4) How do you define Jihad?

[*Proud_Muslimah*]

[quote="Globetrotter-"]Proud,

It is a wahabi myth that chewing qad and dancing are haram. This is a testimony of how people like you want to change the basics of islam. Qaad chewing is part and parcel of somali culture and islam (at least the islam practiced by the majority of somalis) don't give a fucc about chewing it.

Mr. Goth has captured the scene after breaking the fast- and he does that well.


Let me ask you a few questions:

1) What do you think of wahabism?
2) Do you think qaat is haram?
3) What about terrorism?
4) How do you define Jihad?[/quote]

Globe, before I answer your questions...please answer mine! And as I said provide authentic ahadiths and Qur'anic verses...don't talk from your OWN opinion!!! Since you say chewing khat is part of Islam please provide authentic ahadiths and Qur'anic verses. Will be waiting patiently Insh'Allah

[Globetrotter-]

Proud,

Chewing qad is part of the somali culture and as far as I know qaat was not declared haram by the quran (you show me a hadith that bans qad or a quranic verse). It was accepted as a societal thing chewed even by the sheikhs.

Consuming alcohol is haram- gambling is haram (not playing cards ) but qad was never mentioned.

Expressing opinions is not a wrong thing woman. You are also expressing yours.

Wahabism renders everything haram including the right of women to drive cars, listening to music etc.

Now answer me the questions I posed.

[*Proud_Muslimah*]

Globe did the prophet (saw) not say that all drugs (Intoxicants) (and khat is considered as a drug) are:

1. The key to all evils.

2. The head of all errors and lapses.

3. The most terrible of major sins.

4. The mother of all evils?

Allah (SWT) says..."Satan wants only to excite enmity and hatred between you with intoxicants (alcoholic drinks) and gambling, and hinder you from the remembrance of Allah and from As-Salat (the prayer). So, will you not then abstain?

Qat is a drug that has some intoxicating effect and the Prophet (saw) said, "Every intoxcant is forbidden."!

You have not quite answered my questions yet!

[AMAT-ALLAH]

Globetrotter

Do you believe in Hadith Qudsi?

Your answer to this question will DEF answer alot of questions for the many inshAllah

[Galol]

Gurey

Hadiths are completely useless as a source of jurisprudence because their origins can in no way be verified. According to Sunnis(Shias of course reject them out of hand) we have to accept as "saheeh" "correct" any Hadiths attributed to two extremely shadowy characters who lived two hundred years after the prophet died.

Next to nothing is known about Abu Hurairah(Father/owner of cats) and even less about Bukhari apart from being an Azeri horse smuggler.

The question that arises is who decided that what these gentlemn relate are true statements from teh prophet? The answer is self-appointed Hijazi and Nejdi "scholars" whom again very little is known about.

The Hadeeths fall on one crucial test: You can prove/disprove absolutely anything using one hadeeth or another. And any such frame of reference loses its value.

[Globetrotter-]

Amat and proud , whether I am a muslim or not is between me and Allah.

But may I ask you (in particular proud ) where you stand on terrorism?

Are you willing to risk your lives for an arab cause (e.g. go to the middle east and blow yourselves)?