Virginity tests for female military recruits in Indonesia.

[Machiavelli2]

I just don't understand why leaders of Muslim countries like Indonesia allow fellow Muslim women be humiliated through these virginity tests? Most of the women who are signing up for these types of tests are from lower ladder of society (poor communities), and they take this humiliation due to the economic conditions that they found themselves in. These types of tests prove the backwardness in some of the Muslim societies, and it provides more ammunition to those who spread Islamophobia.

gegiroor

Ina Adeer, don't be an ethnocentric because in every culture regardless if they are modernised or not, females in the army experience some sort of discrimination. Having said that, "two finger" virginity test doesn't add up scientifically. Secondly, there are no Muslim countries but States with predominantly Muslim citizens, otherwise we would have been offered citizenships and asylum in those "Muslim countries" than in Greenland and Iceland. If you consider Indonesia and Malaysia are Muslim countries, then ask why they are playing a ping pong game on the lives of these poor prosecuted Rohingya's Burmese Muslims who are suffering inhumanely and could perish in the seas? We should appreciate the hospitality and opportunities given to us by non-Muslims, take advantage of the education and other opportunities such as technical skills, unite our people and build our country. There are no Muslim countries, but nation-states with majority Muslims. Let us view them that way and do something for ourselves.

Burma’s boatpeople ‘faced choice of annihilation or risking their lives at sea’

Thousands of members of the Rohingya, a Burmese minority group, are now adrift in the Andaman Sea, with aid groups fearing ‘boatloads of corpses’

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/m ... t-migrants

Look who offered the poor Muslim Rohingya people respite and asylum, the Philippines who is poorer than both Malaysia and Indonesia and is a Catholic majority country.

Philippines offers refuge to desperate migrants trapped on boats.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/m ... d-on-boats

Indonesia's Military Chief Defends Virginity Tests for Female Recruits

http://www.hiiraan.com/news4/2015/May/9 ... ruits.aspx

Every country exists for their own survival, advancement and national interests, marka Soomaaliyeey, fadhiga ka kaca, dawlado Muslim waxba ha ka suginaa because ma jidhaan, haddii kale been isu sheegaa marka aad wax qabsan weeydeen.

No pun intended walaal, dhiigga ayaa I yara kacey.

[gegiroor]

Come'n Jalaludiin!

Thats from a cooking show giving tips on how to best check pies

I think you reading too much into it.

I was not just laughing at the gif, but also your skill of finding the right gif and placing it in the right context!

Jalaludeen bro, are you a gynecologist? Gacan baan kuu taagey


@Machiavelli2, I agree. I remember in the 1990s seeing this Somali guy who was brought into Canada through refugee status. He was imprisoned in Indonesia for years before he met a Danish guy in the prison. The Danish government lobbied the release of their citizen from that prison, and an as soon as he got out, he contacted Amnesty International and informed them about the plight of the Somali guy in that jail. He has provided the Somali guy's name, the prison name, the cell number, and how he has committed no crime but rotting there because he did not have a government who can speak up on his behalf.

Apparently, the Somali fella boarded a boat from the Indonesian coast towards Australia. The boat ran into issues and was caught and rescued by the Australian navy. Due to the proximity of the location where the boat was found, which was closer to Indonesia, the people in that boat was handed over to the Indonesian navy.

The Indonesian government views all migrants and refugees as criminals. Keep in mind the Somali guy had visa when he entered Indonesia. He just did not have an exit visa when he boarded that boat. To the Indonesians, since he did not have an exit visa, he was regarded as a criminal. They threw him in jail and never put him through their courts. This is the due process for the "supposedly" world's most populous Muslim nation.

Amnesty International requested the Indonesian government to visit their prisons in order to take a look at the conditions of the prisons and prisoners in there. That request was granted. They went through all of the Indonesian prisons, but since they had the Somali guy's case, they came to his prison, interviewed all of the prisoners to ensure they didn't bring any unnecessary attention to the poor Somali fella, and asked him how long he has been in the prison and why was he brought in. He provided his information, and his story matched the one provided to them by his former Danish cellmate.

Amnesty International published its findings, and accused the Indonesian government of throwing innocent migrants and refugees to its prisons without due process and without processing them as refugees. They have also handed-over the Somali guy's case to UNHCR. This agency lobbied on his behalf and got him out of that jail. After few years living in Indonesia with UNHCR support, Canada gave him an asylum.

Brother, just look at who alleviated that Somali guy's plight: The Danish citizen who did not just forget about him but contacted Amnesty International (AI) and informed them about this fella's plight; AI and its effort to verify the conditions of all of prisons in Indonesia, particularly, the Somali guy, and eventually published its findings that were critical on the Indonesian government, and their efforts of presenting the Somali guy's case to the UNHCR; the UNHCR who got him out of jail, and presented his case to a host of refugee-accepting countries; and Canada granting him an asylum. None of these are Muslim!

I have also seen in the US Somalis who had similar experiences in Turkey, and the US government brought them here through refugee resettlement program.

There is also the story of this Palestinian fella who cried the day he became a naturalized American citizen as soon as he took the citizenship oath. At least, today he has a country who can issue him a passport and sees him as a citizen. Since millions of Palestinians were driven out of Palestine, starting 1948, this guy's family moved to Saudi Arabia. He was born in Saudi Arabia. He has never been granted with a Saudi citizenship, and in 1991 when Iraq invaded Kuwait, Yasser Arafat, the former leader of PLO, sided with Saddam Hussein. As a result of that reckless decision by Arafat, many Palestinians were kicked out of the Gulf Arab countries. This fella took shelter in Jordan after the expulsion from Saudi Arabia, and eventually came to USA through Mexico. As soon as he was announced a citizen of USA by the immigration judge, he couldn't hold the joy, and at the same time, reflected the tough experience he had been through for just being a Palestinian in all of his life.

Long story short, the West and international institutions are far better than the so-called Muslim countries. I agree there are no Muslim countries but governments whose population is majority-Muslim only. Hopefully, we can see light at the end of the tunnel and focus on fixing ours.

Thanks for the inspiring comment!

[Machiavelli2]

gerigoor

That was absolutely brilliant. You eloquently narrated and accurately articulated very well the point that I was trying to make and my bad attempt to elucidate and generate compassion and benevolence for the millions of suffering Somalis back home. Thank you.

Recently, I had a heart to heart discussion with my niece, she was born in the Western diaspora and she mentioned that when she marries she wants to live in an Islamic country. So I asked her, where in Somalia will you like to live? She starred me as if I stabbed her with a sharp dagger and told me, I will never live in a tribal warmongering society like Somalia. So I asked her where in the Islamic world do you want to live? She mentioned the wealthy Arabian Gulf countries. Then I found out this is a view shared by many young teenage Somalis who have never visited/lived a Muslim country and it is scary. Some have lost their Somali identity and benevolence towards the suffering Somalis and still yearn to live in an Islamic setting. It is the damn qabyaalad wars that we have elevated to a religious status and the next generation seem to be lost and embarrassed to be associated with Somalia. Besides their birth country, they have no other country to fall back besides Somalia. We should engage these teenagers and drill some sense into them.

Thanks again Bro.

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Oh my god..ur soo gross..ugh