What makes one tribal militia stronger than others

[gacankudhiigle]

they all have large weapons caches, they all have numerous technicals mounted with soviet era heavy machine guns, does it come down to will at the end of the day? or does it come down to number of members in the tribe? i doubt it comes down to strategy and tactics. it seems like every tribal militia is the same, i just think it depends on which one of them has more members to replenish the ranks when some die. someone tell me...

[thegoodshepherd]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asabiyyah

[theyuusuf143]

1.determination (hadaf)
2. Source of income (Sahay)
3. fire power (saanad)
4. propaganda (guubaabo)

If two clans who have the same number of technicals fight the one with good supply of ammunition, food,cash,manpower and petrol will win !

wa billahi tawfiiq.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

Somali clan warfare often ends draw. neither sides wins.. and in the same time often both waring qabiils declare that they won..

[metamorphosis]

Motif.

[gacankudhiigle]

Somali clan warfare often ends draw. neither sides wins.. and in the same time often both waring qabiils declare that they won..

Haa taasi waa run.

[theyuusuf143]

groups like alshabaab and IS operate as tribal militia. how ever they are more determined and more ruthless. In somalia habar gidir is the best tribal militia they killed 18 US soldiers in 6 hours. invaded banadir bay bakool shabeele galduddud mudug gedo and the jubbas all at the same time. if they had good supply of cash and ammunition they could have controlled all somalia till today. hats off for Muj general aideed the greatest Somali warlord !

[theyuusuf143]

habargidir introduced many technical warfare. they used these kind of mounted missiles to capture kismayo in 1992. can you believe arab spring factions in libya and syria are using the same habar gidir tactics today after 24 yeara lool.
Clan fighter loyal to the joint force of the United Somali Congress (USC) of warlords General Mohamed Farah Aidid poses 15 May 1992 with his missile system downtown Kismayu. www.biyokulule.com/view_content.php?articleid=3245

[thegoodshepherd]

Tekniko is important and you have to always buy more and more Hiluxes to stay ahead. But what is even more important is cohesion. Your clan militia must maintain cohesion to reach your desired goal. This cohesion means that the wealthy businessmen of the clan bankroll their militia and make sure the boys are armed, clothed, fed and have sufficient ammo. This working together of militia and clan leaders and financiers is based on cohesion. If a clan becomes divided and cohesion is lost, then the enemy will take opportunity of that.

[gacankudhiigle]

groups like alshabaab and IS operate as tribal militia. how ever they are more determined and more ruthless. In somalia habar gidir is the best tribal militia they killed 18 US soldiers in 6 hours. invaded banadir bay bakool shabeele galduddud mudug gedo and the jubbas all at the same time. if they had good supply of cash and ammunition they could have controlled all somalia till today. hats off for Muj general aideed the greatest Somali warlord !

sxb waa run iney jabhada usc qabsadeen dhul badan 90s kii lakiin galgaduud iyo mudug nuuskiisa ayagaa weligood degeenaa. also, jabhada usc-mahdi baa gacanta ku heeyey banadir abgaalkunaa deegan. meelaha kaleeto waxaa deego beelaha itaalku aad ugu yaryahey. markii kooxda snf soo laabatey waxey usc ku dabarjebisey bil gudahiis ey uga saareen gedo iyo jubooyinka.

the us army went initially went to Somalia to ensure aid was being delivered to those dying of hunger instead of being looted at Mogadishu port. sxb don't hype up usc killing peacekeepers and unexpecting us soldiers.

[WaaliCas]

TheYuusuf you are like the average Somali that counts his eggs before they hatch for instance they believe they won the 1977 war simply because they invaded and gained territory early on. They don't ask themselves what was the final outcome.

You claim HG was the best militia because it was operating in such and such lands at the same time. Ask yourself, what territory of all that does HG control today? Do they even have power to expand Baraxley from southern Galkacaayo to the entire Mudug they wish to claim in the proposed Central Administration? How come in 2015 they trying to make own autonomous region when all the others long made their own.

You posted a picture of Kismayo and that's the worst way to mock them. Look they don't have a single say in Kismayo today and that tells you the final out come of all these wars and they can't be greatest militia when they don't control a single region.

If anything they were the biggest losers. They always fought but never really fought for an objective. They just enjoy killing. Aideed was probably their best brain and he figured out how to both motivate them and keep them in direction. HG is their own worst enemy. If you wish a Salebaan to kill your worst enemy just mark their backs "Sacad". Even the proposed Central Region will be undone by Sacad or Salebaan and you have to wait and see for that. Depending on who dominates, the other will be a natural rebel.

The Ayanle Ayr is more successful HG but their problem is they are not as HG-centralist as Sacad, Saleban or Saruur (small). If the war is about Jiniyal then Ayr takes the form of Jiniyal, Islamist, Unionist, and even aliens. For them it's about financial gains in most cases. Ayr love money. Show them money.

Indeed the HG invented the 'technical' courtesy of Osman Ali Ato, who was a businessman running several mechanics in Mogadishu often modifying trucks.

Aideed went to him for a solution.

As for the American troops, actually it was the Duduuble youth who fought them. There was not much HG in Mogadishu at the time. The Duduuble was the one fighting in most parts of Mogadishu allied to the HG and Aideed. Their youth were engaged in battles against Murursade and Abgaals. The Duduble are native to the Elbuur region but long migrated to Banadir.

Duduuble long declined and with that Abgaal gained upper hand in Mogadishu against HG and its allies. Likewise the Murursade declined and has not had much input since Qanyare Afrah.

HG is good fight but they always fight wrong wars and have no objectives. They just kill for no apparent reason and in the end gain zero. They often come into the rescue of other Hawiye only to be thrown under the bus. Overall HG is dysfunctional family and family is not their strongest asset. The Abgaals do better jobs and often Abgaals find themselves supporting HG families (which they related) and for that Abgaal resents HG and HG resents Abgaal for rescuing them in wars.

The back breaker of HG and the USC struggle were the Rahawein and their RRA (Rahaweyn Resistance Army). That not only defeated them but demoralized them. Prior to Rahaweyn battles, the USC felt invisible and unstoppable. The Rahaweyn were still suffering from major famine and the last food storage was looted by fleeing Barre forces. Aideed blockaded food aid for the Rahawein to add injury. Baidhabo was experiencing 2000 deaths per day. It became known as the city of death but in the end RRA won against USC and today Rahaweyn have state while Hawiye has zero.

Ras

[theyuusuf143]

No other Somali clan ever involved more intensive war as habargidir. in fact I have never seen middle aged habar gidir man without mark of war on his body. they are all injured loool. they are the definition of militia. they introduced or rapidly practiced most advanced small army tactics used in modern warfare today. dont mix warfare and politics mr hawdian. habargidir are militia they don't know politics. politics is a game used by the an armed clans like abgaal and majerten.

[TheGrumpyGeeljire]

It depends if they're fighting for a just cause or not. More often than not, clan militias who are defending their tribal lands are often more successful than land grabbers. There are plenty of examples, in the late 80's HY/HJ militias were successful in fighting off clan militias backed by the SNA who wanted to cleanse them from Sanag/Sool/South east Togdheer and parts of the Hawd.

In the early 90's HG clan militiamen stormed Gaalkacyo and killed many innocent Majeerten civilians. The MJ clan militias managed to regroup and expel the invaders from Gaalkacyo.

More recently Dir farmers in the south have come under attack by Hawiye militias who tried to take over their farmlands. The dir clan militias seem to be doing well despite the odds.

[WaaliCas]

No other Somali clan ever involved more intensive war as habargidir. in fact I have never seen middle aged habar gidir man without mark of war on his body. they are all injured loool. they are the definition of militia. they introduced or rapidly practiced most advanced small army tactics used in modern warfare today. dont mix warfare and politics mr hawdian. habargidir are militia they don't know politics. politics is a game used by the an armed clans like abgaal and majerten.

For me it's all about results and doesn't matter how many lands HG invaded, it has nothing to show for. Even Abdiwahab will tell you. In Banadir the dominant power is Abgal, in Jubbos its the Darods, in south-central it's the Rahaweyn and also wish to reclaim more land in the south, in central regions its highly contested region and HG does not control one single region. The whole Galmudug thing is one suburb in southern Galkacayo.

For me the most effective, peaceful and disciplined militia has been the Rahaweyn Resistance Army. Little resources, no loud noises but results.

[BowerDanger]

No other Somali clan ever involved more intensive war as habargidir. in fact I have never seen middle aged habar gidir man without mark of war on his body. they are all injured loool. they are the definition of militia. they introduced or rapidly practiced most advanced small army tactics used in modern warfare today. dont mix warfare and politics mr hawdian. habargidir are militia they don't know politics. politics is a game used by the an armed clans like abgaal and majerten.

For me it's all about results and doesn't matter how many lands HG invaded, it has nothing to show for. Even Abdiwahab will tell you. In Banadir the dominant power is Abgal, in Jubbos its the Darods, in south-central it's the Rahaweyn and also wish to reclaim more land in the south, in central regions its highly contested region and HG does not control one single region. The whole Galmudug thing is one suburb in southern Galkacayo.

For me the most effective, peaceful and disciplined militia has been the Rahaweyn Resistance Army. Little resources, no loud noises but results.

The elaays r not strong though