Should fasting hours in Ramadan standardised globally?

[DR-YALAXOOW]

caliqase hi mr flying spaghetti monster believer .. this question about places on this planet where the sun never sets down. waxay ku socotaa the hardcore believers salafis who think they have answers of everything..

[CaliQase]

Nice try for the NAME CALLING Ditoore, but I got NO IDEA what it is.

[Kaafiye]

caliqase hi mr flying spaghetti monster believer .. this question about places on this planet where the sun never sets down. waxay ku socotaa the hardcore believers salafis who think they have answers of everything..

The questions you ask have already been answered in numerous articles, books, and lectures.

Don't blame us because you're too lazy to find out the truth for yourself. But then again, you're a troll so I wouldn't expect you to know any better.

[Robotic]

What is next? Chew Gum instead of Totally fasting?


Stick to the facts---fast dawn of sun, break sun set. Period!

Basra at its best. So proud of you sister Basra today.

I have to agree with you. It's such a rare thing to see Basra writing like that. I am shocked.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

kaafiye.. people of 7th century had no clue that there are places on this planet that the sun never sets down my friend.. its a fact .. even there are sahiih hadiiths which says. when the sun is never sets down that day is aakhiro samaan.. the last day of the earth and they did know that Kiruna and other places in north the sun never sets down from middle of MAY until End of July...

[WaaliCas]

Yes the day as you know is standardized (24 hours). This did not come from any hadith or the Quran but normal humans who decided to study nature and all the signs Allah put in front of them. It was first the Ancient Egyptians who came up with it and even realised that the night was longer than the day (10 hours). It was the Babylonians who revised it, the Chinese who made the instruments including clock, it was the adopted by Muslims from the Chinese...the West adopted from the Muslims and revised it.

In the same manner one should also know when relevant hours should be observed for Fasting. Allah gave you brain. Use it.

The hours in North Pole are not the same as those in the south pole...we should use whatever resources available to us to reflect the average day in the most normal nearest region.

The early Muslims only knew the world and time of Arabia and used the sun to track the day. The world is much bigger today and it's up to modern Muslims to come up with solution(s) that reflect the modern big world not 6th century Arabia.

Did early Muslims protest or object to the 24-hour day? You know they didn't invent that nor was it past down to them by Mukalul Jabril. So why does one need to protest modern day hours? Science and Islam always worked together.

That's all I am saying suicide kids. Kids like Qase should put down their belt and try to think with his brain.

[Kaafiye]

kaafiye.. people of 7th century had no clue that there are places on this planet that the sun never sets down my friend.. its a fact .. even there are sahiih hadiiths which says. when the sun is never sets down that day is aakhiro samaan.. the last day of the earth and they did know that Kiruna and other places in north the sun never sets down from middle of MAY until End of July...

It's not about what the people of the 7th century knew. It's about what Allah knew, since Allah is the Creator and Allah is the one who brought us the Deen.

And since Allah understands human nature better than anyone else, then there exists a degree of flexibility in Islamic Law which takes into account extenuating circumstances such as this.

The fact that you don't understand this simple logic, proves to me that you are by far the dumbest member on this forum. You cannot be redeemed.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

this the city i use to live Kiruna sweden. this picture was taken att midight and you can see the sun is up..



1994 when i was living here i actually was young and very religios. i remember we use to pray Maqrib and ishaa and salaad fajr a same time and the sun was up..... and that time was not ramadaan is summer... so couple of years after i went nairobi ai i asked a sheikh.. waxaan iri sheekhoow salaad makhrib iyo cishaa iyo salaad subax iyadoo qoraxda soo jeedo ma la dukan karaa ?? the sheikh said nooo. never..

and i said. i use to live a north sweden the city where from may to end of july the sun never sets down 24 hours.. walaahi the sheikh he could not believe.. he though i was high on drugs or i become crazy living in europe... he said to me i think something is wrong whit you..

markaa ka dib anigaa isla yaabay waa iska aamusay...

[Kaafiye]

Yes the day as you know is standardized (24 hours). This did not come from any hadith or the Quran but normal humans who decided to study nature and all the signs Allah put in front of them. It was first the Ancient Egyptians who came up with it and even realised that the night was longer than the day (10 hours). It was the Babylonians who revised it, the Chinese who made the instruments including clock, it was the adopted by Muslims from the Chinese...the West adopted from the Muslims and revised it.

In the same manner one should also know when relevant hours should be observed for Fasting. Allah gave you brain. Use it.

The hours in North Pole are not the same as those in the south pole...we should use whatever resources available to us to reflect the average day in the most normal nearest region.

The early Muslims only knew the world and time of Arabia and used the sun to track the day. The world is much bigger today and it's up to modern Muslims to come up with solution(s) that reflect the modern big world not 6th century Arabia.

Did early Muslims protest or object to the 24-hour day? You know they didn't invent that nor was it past down to them by Mukalul Jabril. So why does one need to protest modern day hours? Science and Islam always worked together.

That's all I am saying suicide kids. Kids like Qase should put down their belt and try to think with his brain.

You wrote an entire essay without saying anything at all. Good job, I didn't think anyone could pull off such a thing until today.

Since you don't live in Norway, Sweden, or Greenland....than this situation shouldn't apply to you and frankly it's none of your business. For the Muslims who DO live in those countries, then you adjust your fasting hours accordingly. Hence why there are fatwas advising Muslims to adjust their fasting hours to only 12-15 hours.

Anyone with a minimal knowledge of Islamic Law would be able to reach this conclusion.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

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It's not about what the people of the 7th century knew. It's about what Allah knew, since Allah is the Creator and Allah is the one who brought us the Deen.

then why allah didn't just told us the fasting of ramadaan is not only from sun up to sun down but also if your living in places where never sets down you should not follow the sun but its okay to fast fixed time.. all sunnah and hadiths there is no singal place in whole islamic kitaabs which had any information about the land of mdnight sun on this planet...

[Kaafiye]

Islamic Law is based on 4 main sources:

1. Quran
2. Sunnah
3. Scholarly consensus
4. Qiyaas (legal reasoning)

The issue of fasting in Norway/Sweden comes under the 4th category (Qiyaas), in which someone who's knowledgeable on Islamic Law would come up with legal reasoning to reflect unique circumstances.

Just because WaaliCas and DR-YALAXOOW are too ignorant on Islamic Law to know this, doesn't take away from this.

It's their fault for being ignorant.

[CaliQase]

Ditoore, si khaldan ayaad sheekha wax u weydiisay. Hadaad i weydiiso maqrib, cishe iyo fajri mala tukan karaa iyadoo qoraxdu soo jeedo, dabcan maya ayaan ku leeyahay. Laakiin markii ay xaaladu tahay daruuri, waa arrin kale, oo salaada waxaad u tukanaysaa sidii ay kuu qabato.

Hawdian, if I were to fight, I would be a man enough to take a rifle not a belt.

[Kaafiye]

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It's not about what the people of the 7th century knew. It's about what Allah knew, since Allah is the Creator and Allah is the one who brought us the Deen.

then why allah didn't just told us the fasting of ramadaan is not only from sun up to sun down but also if your living in places where never sets down you should not follow the sun but its okay to fast fixed time.. all sunnah and hadiths there is no singal place in whole islamic kitaabs which had any information about the land of mdnight sun on this planet...

Because 99% of humans DO NOT LIVE IN THE ARCTIC.

One important principle of Islamic Law is not to create a rule based on exceptions. You can't bend Islamic Law to accommodate exceptions. The Muslims who live in northern Norway are a few thousand at most, in comparison to the billions of Muslims who live elsewhere.

Qiyaas is an Islamic principle which takes into account these unique circumstances.

Again, you are literally one of the dumbest members on this forum.

[DR-YALAXOOW]

caliqase SHEEKHA maba ogeeyn inay jirto meel dunidan ka mid ah oo aysan qoraxda ka dhicin bilooyin sanadka ka mid ah.. markaan u sheegay magaalada waqooyiga sweden aan deganaa qoraxda kama dhacdo 24 saac.. wuu i rumeysan waayey.. wuxuuba ii maleeyey inaan europe maskaxda xoogaa aan ku soo waashay...

[CaliQase]

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It's not about what the people of the 7th century knew. It's about what Allah knew, since Allah is the Creator and Allah is the one who brought us the Deen.

then why allah didn't just told us the fasting of ramadaan is not only from sun up to sun down but also if your living in places where never sets down you should not follow the sun but its okay to fast fixed time.. all sunnah and hadiths there is no singal place in whole islamic kitaabs which had any information about the land of mdnight sun on this planet...

So now we are questioning why Allah didn't do that and did that?
You should be better than that Ditoore. Meesha iska qaad.