Iran’s S-300: A Russian deal or a Sino-Russian deal?

[GAMES]

China is going to collapse from the inside very soon. Too many Indho Yars out of job and with no way to support their family doesn't bode too well for the communist leadership.

[Rambie]

The J10 hasn't been combat tested sxb, so no one would know how it would perform in a real war setting. I don't believe anyone else flies it outside of communist China.

If Russian planes and tech was so much better than American, then how come the US and the Yahuudi Airforce were able to decimate Russian built Arab planes?

Gamer,

The airplanes didn't even reach the air.
The Jews destroyed the runaway and the planes were literally a sitting target.

LoL i know right.

Wallahi,

Am not kidding. It happened to Egypt but I don't know bout the others.

[GAMES]

No i believe you, it also happened to the Syrian and Iraqi Air Force's who operate exclusively Russian Migs.

[theyuusuf143]

Death to America. god bless iran.

[Oxidant]

Gurey,

How can Iran trust Russia now? Iran already signed and paid for S-300 years ago for only Russia to keep the money and not deliver the system due Western pressure. What makes Russia different from today?

[Thuganomics]

Iranians and the Russians are playing chess while the U.S.is playing draughts (checkers).Its true though as far as the world is concerned Iran will be a bona fida member of the International community by then. If the Jewnited States doesn't sign off on its promised agreement they will seem like used and abused condom of Israel.The EU China and Russia would have held up their end of the bargain by then. So what will the U.S. do if congress refuses to ratify the agreement. Will they go ahead with solo sanctions.

[gurey25]

Gurey,

How can Iran trust Russia now? Iran already signed and paid for S-300 years ago for only Russia to keep the money and not deliver the system due Western pressure. What makes Russia different from today?

Yeah that was a ceeb move, but the blame is on Medvedev,
Till the Ukraine clusterfuck, power was equally shared by 2 factions in the kremlin.
The Atlanticists like Medvedev and the Eurasian Integrationists like Putin.
The Atlantacists want to be accepted as an equal member of the west, and were willing to do anything to get a place at the table,
naive bastards.
The Eurasianists believed that the west will only accept them in a subservient position and its best to look east for partnership
they are more ambitious , instead of being part of Europe they want to be far greater.

The Ukraine fiasco weakened the Atlanticists and they have been running around like headless chickens since then.
Putin and co have been slowly finishing them off one by one.
Public mood is very anti western so this helps.

and Taking Crimea back was the coup de gras.

before crimea people in russia were skeptical about putin, but now he is untouchable.
He can get caught on camera shooting a Grandmother, strangling puppies and raping a pre teen girl.
and people will think, what a nasty fellow, but he got us crimea lets give him a pass.

[gurey25]

The continuing devalution in the RMB is no real surprise, a lot of places thought it was overvalued, particularly against the dollar. Maintaining a peg when currencies are stable is all well and good, but maintaining that same peg when you have one major currency strongly appreciating (the dollar, and also sterling) and another falling (the euro) can lead to odd outcomes.

There's been some interesting stuff out there about the real Chinese unemployment rate the last couple of days, official figures saying that it's always stable at about 4%, but some reckon now that it blew out to 11% during 2008 and is up at 10% again now.

This is getting gloomier by the day. Malaysia's ringitt in free fall, Vietnam and China devaluing their currencies, today's news of biggest shrinkage in Chinese manufacturing since 2009, Japan's negative growth, commodities in free fall as well, export-nations such as Germany and Japan quite likely to feel China's woes very soon...

4% is bullshit from the government, they do not really know themselves.
but it is not as bad as its presented.
the job market is very tight, right now china has a shortage of labour for allot of high end jobs,
and even unskilled or semi skilled labour is in short supply.
Another clue to the state of the economy is that real wages are going up in every sector while prices are stable,
meaning real wealth is increasing.

China has a large informal sector like most developing countries,
you can make allot of money under the table and live comfortably and be counted as unemployed.

The real news about china is the massive redirection of the economy from export orientation to internal consumption and development.
Nearly all government investment is in central and western china, and away from the coast.
Cities like Chonqing and Chendu are booming so much they are having severe labour shortage, and there is massive migration all over china.
Ofcourse Chinese are not like Somalis and find it difficult to pack up and move.

[Siciid85]

No i believe you, it also happened to the Syrian and Iraqi Air Force's who operate exclusively Russian Migs.

Maybe the problems is not the equipment but the operators. In the hands of well trained crews and pilots, they could have been very effective.

The Serbs brought down "invisible" B2 bomber with a SAM in 1999

[gurey25]

The north vietnamese used exactly the same equipment as the arabs.
and they gave the US such a beating that the US navy had to create Top Gun,
where they retrained their pilots into better dogfighters.

In 1973 pakistan sent volunteer pilots to syria and they flew the same equipment and those 5 pilots gave the isrealis a serious trashing
one of the them scoring 2 hits in one mission.

arabs are incompetent , its a cultural problem due to coup proofing.
its very unhealthy environment for a smart arab officer.

This is why the top leadership in most arab armed forces are filled with idiots who were loyal,
or super smart geniuses who combine skill with acting skills that deserve oscars.
Ofcourse they also act very convincingly as idiots too, so that they can progress the ranks..

[jalaaludin5]

I had enough with Iran's sixir and their make-believe-hate-for-america. This sh!t is been going on for too long and while all the Sunni countries are destroyed one by one Iran remain standing and strong. Not only that but their power and influence in the region Is growing as the west really put on a show with their anti-Iran rhetoric which is nothing more than a foreplay.

America has a great use for Iran and its in their interest to make sure Iran remain standing. The only real threat to America are Sunnis and has always been. Not two faced Shia Iran.

Jalaaludin Bulaale changing his views on Iran.
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[SultanOrder]

Iranians and the Russians are playing chess while the U.S.is playing draughts (checkers).Its true though as far as the world is concerned Iran will be a bona fida member of the International community by then. If the Jewnited States doesn't sign off on its promised agreement they will seem like used and abused condom of Israel.The EU China and Russia would have held up their end of the bargain by then. So what will the U.S. do if congress refuses to ratify the agreement. Will they go ahead with solo sanctions.

I've noticed this streak of talking down to US intelligence, mainly perpetuated by Gurey. The U.S. are from dumb, an idiot doesn't rise to their position of being the largest economy or only super power. Don't forget Bobby Fischer beat Borris the reigning chess champion in 1972.

This is the same U.S. That took advantage of Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union to expand NATO. The same U.S. That put sanctions on Russia for Crimea while organizing a coup in Ukraine. They are also pushing the TPP which is a trade agreement with every nation that borders China. While pivoting their naval military power towards the Pacific all to contain China militarily and economically. Frankly the U.S. Dominates the game.

By the way the deal with Iran will go ahead and the republicans won't be able to stop it. Democrats are on Obama's side.

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

Iranians and the Russians are playing chess while the U.S.is playing draughts (checkers).Its true though as far as the world is concerned Iran will be a bona fida member of the International community by then. If the Jewnited States doesn't sign off on its promised agreement they will seem like used and abused condom of Israel.The EU China and Russia would have held up their end of the bargain by then. So what will the U.S. do if congress refuses to ratify the agreement. Will they go ahead with solo sanctions.

I've noticed this streak of talking down to US intelligence, mainly perpetuated by Gurey. The U.S. are from dumb, an idiot doesn't rise to their position of being the largest economy or only super power. Don't forget Bobby Fischer beat Borris the reigning chess champion in 1972.

This is the same U.S. That took advantage of Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union to expand NATO. The same U.S. That put sanctions on Russia for Crimea while organizing a coup in Ukraine. They are also pushing the TPP which is a trade agreement with every nation that borders China. While pivoting their naval military power towards the Pacific all to contain China militarily and economically. Frankly the U.S. Dominates the game.

By the way the deal with Iran will go ahead and the republicans won't be able to stop it. Democrats are on Obama's side.

I don't think that is what Gurey is saying. It's not so much as the US are idiots, it's more to do with other countries are finally rising to their game.

And no offence but as rich and powerful as the US is, it doesn't negate from a history of some of the worst foreign policy blunders in the world. That is one area the Americans can never reach the old British Empire. The British were far more ruthless and evil than America ever was, and yet they don't have such negative reputation compared to the Yanks.

[gurey25]

I've noticed this streak of talking down to US intelligence, mainly perpetuated by Gurey. The U.S. are from dumb, an idiot doesn't rise to their position of being the largest economy or only super power. Don't forget Bobby Fischer beat Borris the reigning chess champion in 1972.

This is the same U.S. That took advantage of Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union to expand NATO. The same U.S. That put sanctions on Russia for Crimea while organizing a coup in Ukraine. They are also pushing the TPP which is a trade agreement with every nation that borders China. While pivoting their naval military power towards the Pacific all to contain China militarily and economically. Frankly the U.S. Dominates the game.

By the way the deal with Iran will go ahead and the republicans won't be able to stop it. Democrats are on Obama's side.

I never talk down US intelligence, its usually people who post in my threads.
Like Liquid hydrogen has said it is more of a case of real resistance to the US power structure appearing not US stupidity.

For me its a case of Schadenfreude , watching the struggle for power within the US deep state,
the liftingof the viel of western europes humiliating real face of servitude .

US policy is not always driven by sanity, it depends on who is in charge at the moment,
the old school Anglos in the deep state like Kerry for example are handicapped by special interests especially Isreal.

The US could have easily cut Putin down to size , and then removed him from power in another Colour revolution if experienced people were in charge, but the interests of Isreal were more important than the future of the US and its continued existence as a hyperpower.
If putin is a chessmaster playing against the US, the US is also a chessmaster but everytime it wants to make the winning move , it is vetoed by special interests and forced to play a stupid move.
Now because of the actions in Ukraine and the continued Sanctions against IRan,
the US has scored an own goal.

[gurey25]

I had enough with Iran's sixir and their make-believe-hate-for-america. This sh!t is been going on for too long and while all the Sunni countries are destroyed one by one Iran remain standing and strong. Not only that but their power and influence in the region Is growing as the west really put on a show with their anti-Iran rhetoric which is nothing more than a foreplay.

America has a great use for Iran and its in their interest to make sure Iran remain standing. The only real threat to America are Sunnis and has always been. Not two faced Shia Iran.

Jalaaludin Bulaale changing his views on Iran.
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@ sixir

Its very simple, Iran is an Independent country, one of the few in the world.
say what you want about the leadership but Iran is run by Iranians for Iranians.

Most of the world is run by local comparador class for the west, including the muslim world.
Iraq, Syria and Libya were the last independent Sunni doinated arab countries and look at them now.
Do you blame Iran for their demise?

They were destroyed by the west.
Nation states have been destroyed , nationalism gone, and Islamism or political islam as some call it,
is dominated by the west as well.
Practically every single Sunni islamic movement is infiltrated and influenced by western intelligence agencies.
including the millitant groups.
The Saudis have a few groups they run, qatar their own, UAE as well, Jordan created and runs some as well.
The Same with Isreal and the UK and the US.
Sometimes rival islamist groups attack each other while both comming under a single western intelligence operation.
Its a mess you dont know who is independent or who is not, infact they do not even know.

Sunnis are a mess, we are fucked ..
Its because we do not have the cultural knowledge and experience to deal with being conquered and ruled.
We have been top dogs since the begining of Islam.
Its only been around 100 years since the start of western domination, and that is too little time to develop that culture.
The Shia have been underdogs for centuries they have adapted to domination, they are equiped mentally and culturally to deal with
the Empire.
We are not, thats why us sunni go apeshit and dont know which end is our backsides and which is our front.


So dont blame the Iranians, they know how to play the game and they are doing well,
dont be jelouse , we should strive to be like them,

Independent and Free.