China in Africa

[Basra-]

LOL@gurey


I love the self pillow stories u tell yourself! Your denial trip is so long--u don't know your departure or arrival times! I mean, u cant just casually say u r not anti west and then call yourself 'western'!!! (when u support ISIS and Russians)

[gurey25]

LOL@gurey


I love the self pillow stories u tell yourself! Your denial trip is so long--u don't know your departure or arrival times! I mean, u cant just casually say u r not anti west and then call yourself 'western'!!! (when u support ISIS and Russians)

you are either trying to be silly on purpose or ignorant.
I support all those who stand up to the empire, even enlightened americans, i consider them brothers in arms.
I support Russia, China, Belorussia, Khazakstan, Armenia, Iran, Cuba, Venezuala, Bolivia, Ecudor, Nicaragua , Argentina and everyone else

but ISIS???
are you nuts..

ISIS is 100% a tool of the west, its a prostitute that goes works for the highest bidder.
Currently Turkey runs it, CIA, Mossad everyone else has to go through Turkey to get to ISIS, a year ago it was american run,
when it started it was a joint Saudi UAE pet project that was taken over by the US.

This is well known, today, and you cannot dismiss it as conspiracy theory.
I have personal experience...

ive seen those fuckers up close, and they bring out the murdurous rage in me.
if it was upto me i would put them down like rabid dogs, but then they are too usefull for allot of people..

[Kaafiye]

What do you guys think of China's involvement in Africa, good or bad?

I am still sitting on the sidelines, on the one hand, they build your infrastructure and don't get involved in national/local politics.

On the other hand, they hire and bring over mainly Chinese workers. This doesn't help the locals and the country.

But if the Chinese didn't come to Africa, then our continent would be much worse off as a result.

China is 10x better than the West when it comes to dealing with Africa. They bring factories, investment, and infrastructure. Instead of getting involved in national politics and treating Africans like children, the Chinese prefer to do business with Africa instead. Instead of giving out foreign aid, the Chinese would rather secure a large business deal in the continent, thereby creating billions of dollars of wealth for the African continent.

Chinese-African trade alone is roughly 100 billion dollars, and it's mutually beneficial for both the Africans and Chinese. Only through trade/investment/jobs will Africa ever rise out of poverty. No other possible way can help the African man finally reach prosperity

[LiquidHYDROGEN]

There are three ways African countries can negotiate/trade;

1) Westerncentric - The Western countries call the shots. They collude with one another in a neo-colonial scramble for Africa. They make you sign treaties and enforce neo-liberal policies that are detrimental to you country's economic prospects but wholly advantageous to themselves and their multinational corporations. E.g. lower taxation of foreign businesses, less red-tape and regulation of foreign "investment" and reduction of local competition by not protecting local businesses from foreign competition etc.

They will form a cartel around you primary sector by either setting up fake domestic companies filled with foreign CEOs e.g. SOMA-OIL. or they will offer you crappy deals while they get fat and your people starve, despite the country possessing trillions of dollars of natural resources e.g. Congo/Zaire/Zambia/Nigeria/Ivory Coast.

2) Sinocentric - Chinese corporations will come to your country and offer you hard cash or pay for infrastructure building projects e.g. highways, railways, dams etc. in exchange for your resources. The problem is, a lot of the times, they only bring Chinese workers and do not train the local population in the skills required for these infrastructure projects. 9/10 they bring in the workers, compete the project, then all the workers go back home. They also have a poor reputation for shoddy work which could lead to poorly built infrastructure which is costly and dangerous.

3) Afrocentric- Mostly avoid Western countries and their mafia organisations like IMF/WB/UN if you can and Deal with nations like China, Russia, Brazil etc. but getting deals that are more advantageous to Africans e.g. get them to train African workers and hire a certain percentage of workers must be African (say 80%). Get them to offer expertise in areas African countries are falling behind e.g. energy, defence, technology, schooling etc. Reduce the level of money coming in from foreign investment and have policies that favour domestic companies more than foreign ones.

[mahoka]

There are three ways African countries can negotiate/trade;

1) Westerncentric - The Western countries call the shots. They collude with one another in a neo-colonial scramble for Africa. They make you sign treaties and enforce neo-liberal policies that are detrimental to you country's economic prospects but wholly advantageous to themselves and their multinational corporations. E.g. lower taxation of foreign businesses, less red-tape and regulation of foreign "investment" and reduction of local competition by not protecting local businesses from foreign competition etc.

They will form a cartel around you primary sector by either setting up fake domestic companies filled with foreign CEOs e.g. SOMA-OIL. or they will offer you crappy deals while they get fat and your people starve, despite the country possessing trillions of dollars of natural resources e.g. Congo/Zaire/Zambia/Nigeria/Ivory Coast.

2) Sinocentric - Chinese corporations will come to your country and offer you hard cash or pay for infrastructure building projects e.g. highways, railways, dams etc. in exchange for your resources. The problem is, a lot of the times, they only bring Chinese workers and do not train the local population in the skills required for these infrastructure projects. 9/10 they bring in the workers, compete the project, then all the workers go back home. They also have a poor reputation for shoddy work which could lead to poorly built infrastructure which is costly and dangerous.

3) Afrocentric- Mostly avoid Western countries and their mafia organisations like IMF/WB/UN if you can and Deal with nations like China, Russia, Brazil etc. but getting deals that are more advantageous to Africans e.g. get them to train African workers and hire a certain percentage of workers must be African (say 80%). Get them to offer expertise in areas African countries are falling behind e.g. energy, defence, technology, schooling etc. Reduce the level of money coming in from foreign investment and have policies that favour domestic companies more than foreign ones.

best option is second one because you genuinely are getting a physical thing for your resources. They need to bring Chinese workers because the locals dont have the expertise, quality and work ethic to get mega projects done .

Before the economy grows, we need roads, railways, airports, hospitals, schools so china can provide that very fast

only after this would you be able to make the choices you want (not need)

[theyuusuf143]

What about Ethno/qabil centric. You create Company and hire cheap skilled people all over the world, then you pay them to train your own comrades, at the end you fire all foreigners one after one !