4 arrested, 3 MN Somali child care centers charged in fraud case with more arrests likely in Minnesota (Video)

[afisoone]

It is very sad story..

I don't behaviour like that..

[QaxootiWaaxid]

Two things :

You are innocent till proven guilty. I am pretty sure they can beat the case if they were honest and can prove they did actually provide service for the kids. I know Deka who was charged with 105 counts of child care fraud earlier this year beat all the counts and she's free now.

Somalis are some greedy mofos. You are getting all that money, why not hire a professional lawyer who can defend you when shit hit the van? They just scramble and look for lawyers when it's too late

This Somali girl in Columbus, Ohio put down $100K USD to one of the top lawyers in Ohio when the feds raided her home healthcare business. The FEDs were forced to drop the charges. It all came down to tax irregularities after she paid the $60K that became as part of the settlement but during the mediation, the judge told the FEDs that you can't close a business without a court order.

Too bad, the FEDs used to see Somali guys who run away as soon as they see FBI raiding their businesses. This girl was not blinking. After she put that challenge up, now Somali businesses have adopted a new tactic: They are sharing the legal fees and are standing up to the FEDs. It is not like we're gonna be easily be pushed around. We're gonna use the legal venue, race card, religious card, new immigrant card, and any thing that we can use to defend ourselves. If they are serious about fraud, let them arrest [D]ick Cheney who sent America to a phony war, made $38 billion USD profit, with tens of thousands of Americans deaths, at least 100K American servicemen wounded, and millions of Iraqis killed, imprisoned, injured, raped, and evicted from their homes. When these innocents find justice when [D]ick Cheney, Paul Wolfwitz, Donald Rumsfeld, Richard Perle, and other neocons - who committed the biggest fraud and perpetuated genocide against Iraqis, Arabs, and Muslims - are walking free?

how many childcare fraud schemes do you have going?

[InaSamaale]

Folks, innocent until proven guilty. Fraud is committed daily in America and poor Somali businessmen and women should not be chased around.

As Muslims we are supposed to have a fixed moral compass. Wrong is wrong no matter how many people are engaged in it or worse things.


If these childcare providers are found guilty, it's a shame on our community. Also, their myopia will affect any other legitimate child care providers in making a livelihood.

[gegiroor]

Folks, innocent until proven guilty. Fraud is committed daily in America and poor Somali businessmen and women should not be chased around.

As Muslims we are supposed to have a fixed moral compass. Wrong is wrong no matter how many people are engaged in it or worse things.


If these childcare providers are found guilty, it's a shame on our community. Also, their myopia will affect any other legitimate child care providers in making a livelihood.

The reality is many of these childcare providers are small businessmen and women who are trying to make a living. Their biggest problem is they don't understand the strict rules that govern it. It seems though that the Somali run childcare centers are receiving more government audits than others. Nevertheless, it is a wake-up call to those businessmen and women that run those centers thatthey need to do better.

That said, I don't understand how someone who is working hard and trying to make a living is shaming us. I really don't see the implications. Don't forget that there are over 310 million people in this country, and the number of Somalis are roughly 200,000. So no one will remember how a poor Somali woman or man who run a small business misbehaved - remember the story was only about folks who were charged but convicted. Therefore, innocent until proven guilty.

[InaSamaale]

The reality is many of these childcare providers are small businessmen and women who are trying to make a living. Their biggest problem is they don't understand the strict rules that govern it. It seems though that the Somali run childcare centers are receiving more government audits than others. Nevertheless, it is a wake-up call to those businessmen and women that run those centers thatthey need to do better.

That said, I don't understand how someone who is working hard and trying to make a living is shaming us. I really don't see the implications. Don't forget that there are over 310 million people in this country, and the number of Somalis are roughly 200,000. So no one will remember how a poor Somali woman or man who run a small business misbehaved - remember the story was only about folks who were charged but convicted. Therefore, innocent until proven guilty.

Maybe they are receiving more audits than others, however that is aside from the matter at hand- which is fraud allegations.

When you are a minority, the actions of a few does impact people's perception of you collectively, regardless of whether it is factual or not.

Things like this is disappointing, I don't want to read a news story like this and then see an accompanying picture depict a Somali woman in hijab or a male by the name of Mohamed caught up in a fraud article. Yes, innocent until proven guilty but where there is smoke there is fire.

Our actions are our best form of da'wah and this is not something that should be associated with our beautiful deen, which it will no doubt.

I know the vast majority just want to make a livelihood and its a shame that some will let greed get the better of them. Also, ignorance to the laws you are supposed to be complying by isn't a legitimate excuse.

[TheblueNwhite]

No Imaan.

What kind of an example are they setting for their seed?

[gegiroor]

The reality is many of these childcare providers are small businessmen and women who are trying to make a living. Their biggest problem is they don't understand the strict rules that govern it. It seems though that the Somali run childcare centers are receiving more government audits than others. Nevertheless, it is a wake-up call to those businessmen and women that run those centers thatthey need to do better.

That said, I don't understand how someone who is working hard and trying to make a living is shaming us. I really don't see the implications. Don't forget that there are over 310 million people in this country, and the number of Somalis are roughly 200,000. So no one will remember how a poor Somali woman or man who run a small business misbehaved - remember the story was only about folks who were charged but convicted. Therefore, innocent until proven guilty.

Maybe they are receiving more audits than others, however that is aside from the matter at hand- which is fraud allegations.

When you are a minority, the actions of a few does impact people's perception of you collectively, regardless of whether it is factual or not.

Things like this is disappointing, I don't want to read a news story like this and then see an accompanying picture depict a Somali woman in hijab or a male by the name of Mohamed caught up in a fraud article. Yes, innocent until proven guilty but where there is smoke there is fire.

Our actions are our best form of da'wah and this is not something that should be associated with our beautiful deen, which it will no doubt.

I know the vast majority just want to make a livelihood and its a shame that some will let greed get the better of them. Also, ignorance to the laws you are supposed to be complying by isn't a legitimate excuse.

There is a tendency for Somalis in business to do a quick money; and this desire makes some to overlook the laws, safety, and hiring employees with the right skills.

In my last job, I work with this AA woman who used to run a childcare center. Her husband is an executive in a major insurance carrier in Ohio. She closed her childcare business due to the risk that is associated with this business, including lawsuits, child safety, and stress that comes with children from different backgrounds and the constant demands from their parents. She also stated it is not that much profitable when you do it right.

With that in mind, may be some of the Somali-run childcare businesses have found ways to make them profitable, and when audited that is what gets them in trouble. It is a known tendency for people to overlook some of the most important steps required by the state and federal regulations when they want to make a quick money. For instance, one Somali childcare center followed all of the rules and passed majority of the audit conditions except one: They did not do a background check on their employees. The state auditors who did the audit asked them what if the people you hired are known sex offenders. How do you certify that they are not dangerous to children? They could not provide documentation, so the last I know they were closed down. They hired a lawyer though and not sure if they won their case.

Unfortunately, many more Somali run business close down their business because they are not well-informed on the rules that they should follow. I am suspecting the rules are different from state to state, and some states have lax rules on their initial requirement to open a business in this area. The problem comes when they start billing Medicaid. If you're not from the US, this is a federal and state funded insurance program that is designed to provide health insurance coverage to low-income families. The rules are restrict, and there are federally mandated stringent requirements and audits. Many of the Somali businesses fail in the annual audits that is required by the federal regulations. Once a business is proven to have failures in certain areas of the audit, those state regulators keep coming semi annually or annually.

What is also true that some of the Somalis win their cases in court after they hire top-notch lawyers. It has been proven in several cases that the state and federal auditors overstep their boundaries, and when top lawyers review their actions in court, they themselves are proven to have abused their powers. Sadly, no news outlet carries this news when state and federal regulators are proven to be the culprits here. This is where the element of racism, Islamophobia, and Somaliphobia comes in.

In summary, when you look at the full picture, it is not one-sided story where it is only Somali run childcare centers who are abusing the system. The state and federal authorities abused their powers as well and close down these businesses too quickly. In reality though, I don't understand how a businesswoman and man who are trying to make a living damage my name in US when they run into issues with auditors, and when we are less than 0.06% of population in the USA. Let us get real here, nobody is shaming you, me, nor other Somalis. My rule is if someone violated the law, they did it on their own and they will face the consequences. I, you, or any other Somalis are not responsible the actions of others. You and I hardly know these people. Besides, these issues are minor and people hardly remember after they first heard it in the news.