Did Pre-1991 Somalis have more Class than present day Somalis?

[jamal859]

I'm not going to post a picture for an illustration but it is what you are aiming for; for girls to walk naked in the streets. As a man, if it wasn't for Islam, I'd also like that, but unlike you I let my religion guide me not my desire for exciting the gu.s as Basra would say.

FYI, wearing a simple cabaayad with a garbasaar will do. But who are you to tell if a woman wants to wear "a tent"?

Its non of my business what a woman decides to wear.Your energy should be on the savages who are killing Somalis not if Xalimos skin is showing.I consider that a non-issue.

Whether a womans hair is showing is the least of our concern

tell him man

[Adali]

I wish I belonged to that era, the golden era !

[TheFuturist]

AliQase So a headscarf is a fundamental tenet of Islam? Its not.

[jalaaludin5]

[CaliQase]

AliQase So a headscarf is a fundamental tenet of Islam? Its not.

Surah An-Nur versa 31 disagrees with you.

[jalaaludin5]

AliQase So a headscarf is a fundamental tenet of Islam? Its not.

Surah An-Nur versa 31 disagrees with you.

Surah an-Nur ayah 31 gives two basic commands in regard to women's dress. The first of these commands is that the Muslim sister shall cover all of her beauty except "what is apparent of it" whenever non-mahram men are present. The  opinion on the meaning of "what is apparent of it" is the face and hands.

The second command is to draw the khimar to cover the jayb. In classical Arabic, the khimar is the headcovering or headscarf, and the jayb is the bosom or more generally the neck and upper chest. Imam Qurtubi and Imam ibn Kathir have provided a precise description of how the khimar is to be drawn to cover the jayb, and why this was necessary. Neither the word "khimar" nor the word "jayb" has anything to do with the face.

Therefore, the first command (to cover the beauty) contains a specific exemption that the majority of scholars have taken to refer to the face and the hands. And the second command (regarding the wearing of the khimar) does not mandate the covering of the face either.

In conclusion, I feel that there is a very strong case to be made that Surah an-Nur ayah 31 does not make niqab fard, but in fact allows the display of the face and hands.

[CaliQase]

AliQase So a headscarf is a fundamental tenet of Islam? Its not.

Surah An-Nur versa 31 disagrees with you.

Surah an-Nur ayah 31 gives two basic commands in regard to women's dress. The first of these commands is that the Muslim sister shall cover all of her beauty except "what is apparent of it" whenever non-mahram men are present. The  opinion on the meaning of "what is apparent of it" is the face and hands.

The second command is to draw the khimar to cover the jayb. In classical Arabic, the khimar is the headcovering or headscarf, and the jayb is the bosom or more generally the neck and upper chest. Imam Qurtubi and Imam ibn Kathir have provided a precise description of how the khimar is to be drawn to cover the jayb, and why this was necessary. Neither the word "khimar" nor the word "jayb" has anything to do with the face.

Therefore, the first command (to cover the beauty) contains a specific exemption that the majority of scholars have taken to refer to the face and the hands. And the second command (regarding the wearing of the khimar) does not mandate the covering of the face either.

In conclusion, I feel that there is a very strong case to be made that Surah an-Nur ayah 31 does not make niqab fard, but in fact allows the display of the face and hands.

Jalaal, I'm talking about the hair, not the face.

Kala saar niqaab iyo xijaab. Niqaab waa wajiga (indha shareer). An it is optional.

[TheFuturist]

Im familiar with that verse. Women are explicitly asked to draw the khimar over their chest, not their hair.

In essense a Muslim is first and foremost a Believer. Iiman and Arkaan al Islam are therefore the basic tenents of the religion. Even then, Allah is the most beneficent, the most merciful of those who give mercy, the forgiver of all sins. There are many Muslims who sin, but that does not make them any less Muslim, rather it makes them human.

[X.Playa]

AliQase So a headscarf is a fundamental tenet of Islam? Its not.

Surah An-Nur versa 31 disagrees with you.

Surah an-Nur ayah 31 gives two basic commands in regard to women's dress. The first of these commands is that the Muslim sister shall cover all of her beauty except "what is apparent of it" whenever non-mahram men are present. The  opinion on the meaning of "what is apparent of it" is the face and hands.

The second command is to draw the khimar to cover the jayb. In classical Arabic, the khimar is the headcovering or headscarf, and the jayb is the bosom or more generally the neck and upper chest. Imam Qurtubi and Imam ibn Kathir have provided a precise description of how the khimar is to be drawn to cover the jayb, and why this was necessary. Neither the word "khimar" nor the word "jayb" has anything to do with the face.

Therefore, the first command (to cover the beauty) contains a specific exemption that the majority of scholars have taken to refer to the face and the hands. And the second command (regarding the wearing of the khimar) does not mandate the covering of the face either.

In conclusion, I feel that there is a very strong case to be made that Surah an-Nur ayah 31 does not make niqab fard, but in fact allows the display of the face and hands.

If the command is to cover " your beauty" and the keyword is beauty, how about ugly women who have no beauty at all what should they cover?

[Djiboutian]

During 50's and 60's, it was unusual to see women dressing immodestly, except school girls who used to follow British schools dress code.

During his time as a minister of state for religious affairs, Haji Abdullah sheekh Ibrahim " Abu Sita ", Daalo airlines owners' father, he issued a decree to imprison any women who go out without hijab. Unfortunately, he was imprisoned few months later without a charge along with many ministers by the military coup d'etat leader Siyaad Barre.

I don't consider a girl working as air hostess/flight attendant/cabin crew class. If you have ever flown first class or ended up at the same hotel with cabin crews you will know how sleazy they are.

Sad fact. Somali Republic was always a very poor country which depends on foreign aid pre and post 1991. You guys better focus on the future instead of crying wolf on your miserable past.

[TheFuturist]

Here is a question that will clear it up: is a muslim woman's salah (prayer) accepted if she prays without a headscarf?

[CaliQase]

X.playa, Naag weliba nin bay la qurxoon tahay.

Futurist, in your logic, if one leaves praying and paying zakat doesn't make him any less muslim, because Allah is the most merciful. That doesn't fly man, why don't you try again.

The thing is, they versa says cover your chest with your headscarf[/]. That gives you the head is already covered.

[CaliQase]

Here is a question that will clear it up: is a muslim woman's salah (prayer) accepted if she prays without a headscarf?

Are you serious?

Absolutely no!

[jamal859]

X.playa, Naag weliba nin bay la qurxoon tahay.

Futurist, in your logic, if one leaves praying and paying zakat doesn't make him any less muslim, because Allah is the most merciful. That doesn't fly man, why don't you try again.

The thing is, they versa says cover your chest with your headscarf[/]. That gives you the head is already covered.

Nobody has denied wearing a headscarf is good.it's up to the lady to decide.I will not enforce anything

[TheFuturist]

X.playa, Naag weliba nin bay la qurxoon tahay.

Futurist, in your logic, if one leaves praying and paying zakat doesn't make him any less muslim, because Allah is the most merciful. That doesn't fly man, why don't you try again.

The thing is, they versa says cover your chest with your headscarf[/]. That gives you the head is already covered.

A sinner perhaps, yes, but not a lesser Muslim. Being a muslim doesn't come in incremental quantities, rather it is an absolute state of being. It is often described as a closed circle, that you enter upon believing in Allah/God as the one and only, and that you exit upon disbelieving in God. You are confusing this with levels of ajar, and particular acts of cibadah that a person might carry out, in which muslims may differ, as they will differ in levels of Jannah.